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SuuPRlim
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Re: Deepstack day two exit
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July 04, 2011, 01:22:59 AM »
Quote from: Solaris on July 04, 2011, 01:12:37 AM
You have AQo vs a young, competent player who 3 betting range is going to be wider than most live players so raise/f AQo is terrible imo.
we don't know he is competant tbf. if he makes it 10,400 id snap stick it in his eye but the 3x 3bet makes it a decent fold imo
you might burn a bit of equity but it just can't be terrible to fold there
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Re: Deepstack day two exit
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July 04, 2011, 01:26:51 AM »
Not sure Alex's range is that wide with 20 bigs. could be wrong tho.
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Re: Deepstack day two exit
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July 04, 2011, 01:32:52 AM »
Quote from: SuuPRlim on July 04, 2011, 01:22:59 AM
Quote from: Solaris on July 04, 2011, 01:12:37 AM
You have AQo vs a young, competent player who 3 betting range is going to be wider than most live players so raise/f AQo is terrible imo.
we don't know he is competant tbf. if he makes it 10,400 id snap stick it in his eye but the 3x 3bet makes it a decent fold imo
you might burn a bit of equity but it just can't be terrible to fold there
Perhaps 3x is his standard raise size? He makes it the same size in both hands.
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Re: Deepstack day two exit
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July 04, 2011, 01:36:10 AM »
The JJ is a fold imo, think the AQ is a shove too. So, for me, [ ] wp alex. BUT these aren't huge errors (if they are errors) so wp to get that far and gg ul, win it next month I reckon.
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Re: Deepstack day two exit
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July 04, 2011, 01:44:32 AM »
As said on the phone, AQ hand is ew, I prolly open jam and try and get hero'd by worse or flip vs pairs. Stops us getting in the raise fold situ. Though may still get it in, but I'm a spaz.
I do agree the JJ is a puke spot, but I'm just never folding with 15 bigs behind...
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Re: Deepstack day two exit
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July 04, 2011, 02:04:01 AM »
Quote from: George2Loose on July 04, 2011, 01:26:51 AM
Not sure Alex's range is that wide with 20 bigs. could be wrong tho.
Certainly not, folding 88> and AJ
Quote from: skolsuper on July 04, 2011, 01:36:10 AM
The JJ is a fold imo, think the AQ is a shove too. So, for me, [ ] wp alex.
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Re: Deepstack day two exit
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July 04, 2011, 02:10:25 AM »
Quote from: Solaris on July 04, 2011, 01:32:52 AM
Quote from: SuuPRlim on July 04, 2011, 01:22:59 AM
Quote from: Solaris on July 04, 2011, 01:12:37 AM
You have AQo vs a young, competent player who 3 betting range is going to be wider than most live players so raise/f AQo is terrible imo.
we don't know he is competant tbf. if he makes it 10,400 id snap stick it in his eye but the 3x 3bet makes it a decent fold imo
you might burn a bit of equity but it just can't be terrible to fold there
Perhaps 3x is his standard raise size? He makes it the same size in both hands.
yh, but as the AQo hand is the first time id seen him do it id be very concerned (AK would be my primary worry)
dislike his 3bet sizing in the first hand regardless of holding
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Re: Deepstack day two exit
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July 04, 2011, 02:16:56 AM »
yeah same ^^ altho ivey 3 bets to 3.5x so who knows
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Re: Deepstack day two exit
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July 04, 2011, 02:17:32 AM »
Quote from: SuuPRlim on July 04, 2011, 02:10:25 AM
Quote from: Solaris on July 04, 2011, 01:32:52 AM
Quote from: SuuPRlim on July 04, 2011, 01:22:59 AM
Quote from: Solaris on July 04, 2011, 01:12:37 AM
You have AQo vs a young, competent player who 3 betting range is going to be wider than most live players so raise/f AQo is terrible imo.
we don't know he is competant tbf. if he makes it 10,400 id snap stick it in his eye but the 3x 3bet makes it a decent fold imo
you might burn a bit of equity but it just can't be terrible to fold there
Perhaps 3x is his standard raise size? He makes it the same size in both hands.
yh, but as the AQo hand is the first time id seen him do it id be very concerned (AK would be my primary worry)
dislike his 3bet sizing in the first hand regardless of holding
I think the 3bet sizing and timing etc makes the JJ more of a fold. thought process being, bad sizing -> fish -> 3betting tight -> not 3betting two hands on the trot with <JJ
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Re: Deepstack day two exit
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July 04, 2011, 02:26:15 AM »
anyone else like an open jam with the AQ?
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Solaris
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Re: Deepstack day two exit
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July 04, 2011, 02:30:22 AM »
Quote from: SuuPRlim on July 04, 2011, 02:10:25 AM
Quote from: Solaris on July 04, 2011, 01:32:52 AM
Quote from: SuuPRlim on July 04, 2011, 01:22:59 AM
Quote from: Solaris on July 04, 2011, 01:12:37 AM
You have AQo vs a young, competent player who 3 betting range is going to be wider than most live players so raise/f AQo is terrible imo.
we don't know he is competant tbf. if he makes it 10,400 id snap stick it in his eye but the 3x 3bet makes it a decent fold imo
you might burn a bit of equity but it just can't be terrible to fold there
Perhaps 3x is his standard raise size? He makes it the same size in both hands.
yh, but as the AQo hand is the first time id seen him do it id be very concerned (AK would be my primary worry)
dislike his 3bet sizing in the first hand regardless of holding
Just think raise/folding with AQ there is bad whatever way you look at it. We are flipping a lot of the time and ahead very rarely and are only behind to 4 combo's. This is live poker too, he doesn't necessarily be aware of stack sizes, players raising positions etc so could be raising wider than you think.
I think the JJ hand is actually pretty close and I'm leaning towards a fold. It's pretty sick to have be folding JJ with 16bbs but for the reasons mentioned (he's 3betting 2 hands in a row and is 3 betting a utg open etc) I'd find it a lot easier to fold JJ in that spot than I do AQo in the other spot.
FWIW I understand why you folded the AQo, but I think you're giving too much credit to an unknown personally.
Quote from: cambridgealex on July 04, 2011, 02:26:15 AM
anyone else like an open jam with the AQ?
Online yes, live no.
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Re: Deepstack day two exit
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July 04, 2011, 04:37:50 AM »
Quote from: cambridgealex on July 04, 2011, 02:26:15 AM
anyone else like an open jam with the AQ?
Is there an ante? Its a lot closer if there is, def not with no ante imo
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Re: Deepstack day two exit
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July 04, 2011, 06:52:12 AM »
Quote from: cambridgealex on July 04, 2011, 02:26:15 AM
anyone else like an open jam with the AQ?
i think raise/calling >>>> open jamming
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Re: Deepstack day two exit
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July 04, 2011, 08:46:31 AM »
very surprised with the AQ, im never open /folding in that spot
shoving 20 bbs is +ev (although live i dont like it), so im raise calling
JJ - couldnt bring myself to fold that in this spot to someone so active
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Re: Deepstack day two exit
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July 04, 2011, 09:03:14 AM »
JJ easy shove.
The AQ hand.
In my little world, against an unknown, with his bet size, I'm flatting pre, then shoving the flop after a few seconds. Ta
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