What do we do here?

[Amatay]

Dunno if i am overthinking this or not. 40 left in a $30 2r1a top 36 pay and im about 5th in chips.  Do we just jam and close our eyes yeh or is it a ghey fold? Can either of these two be trapping here ever? utg is irrelent because he has 3 bigs. He moves allin and 1 player 3bets and the other  cold calls. Dunno if they are good or not but not seen them do anything too dumb. Should i be concerned? I cant raise fold and raise calling a 5b shove is not ideal imo. Also sometimes certain 'idiots' flat my 4b and then ill have to take a flop oop in an inflated pot and be hating life, so just jam?  Can i flat and take a flop oop 3 ways with the shortie allin and somehow get to showdown or do i get it in pre?

PokerStars Game #64489440177: Tournament #429010722, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (625/1250) - 2011/07/13 2:16:34 WET [2011/07/12 21:16:34 ET]
Table '429010722 3' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: MrKlout (3929 in chips)
Seat 2: nobbit (46166 in chips)
Seat 3: Sleepzor (25889 in chips)
Seat 4: XdobrationX (45289 in chips)
Seat 5: kolan67 (44670 in chips)
Seat 6: stelstelstel (56526 in chips)
Seat 7: fisherist (6512 in chips)
Seat 8: porkiepie1 (17268 in chips)
Seat 9: simonjjj (65736 in chips)
MrKlout: posts the ante 150
nobbit: posts the ante 150
Sleepzor: posts the ante 150
XdobrationX: posts the ante 150
kolan67: posts the ante 150
stelstelstel: posts the ante 150
fisherist: posts the ante 150
porkiepie1: posts the ante 150
simonjjj: posts the ante 150
porkiepie1: posts small blind 625
simonjjj: posts big blind 1250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to simonjjj [ ]
MrKlout: raises 2500 to 3750
nobbit: folds
Sleepzor: folds
XdobrationX: raises 2500 to 6250
kolan67: folds
stelstelstel: calls 6250
fisherist: folds
porkiepie1: folds
simonjjj: ?

[muckthenuts]

In it goes

[boldie]

Jesus, very tricky spot this.

I prob flat this TBH. Can't see raise/folding as an option, Raise/calling a 5bet also seems like a bad idea and folding seems very weak.

Yuck.

[George2Loose]

Easiest jam ever

[T_Mar]

What hands fold to Jam that you dont really want to be all in against? AQ maybe... 4bet/call for me

[outragous76]

easy fold - tell yourself it was J2

[pleno1]

Easiest jam ever

really? i sigh fold.

[George2Loose]

Easiest jam ever

really? i sigh fold.

I see so many thin iso plays. Guy who mins it probs has Ax, KQ, mid pairs so often. Cold caller probs similar range. Maybe 4 bet calling is better than jamming. Reads obv come into it too but readless Im getting my chips in

[Pinchop73]

Pretty lol. Played with MrKlout a fair bit in the stars deepstack Monday night. He had a decent score on Sunday.

Anyways...Without more info, I'm shipping this. It's a tricky spot though. What stats do we have on villains? Original 3bettor could be isolating pretty wide here. Flatter mighten be strong either. Could just be wanting to see an A high flop.

If they have QQ+ then gg, but I'm shipping this as its already a decent pot to take down with Jacks. Could easily look very squeezy and might get a call from AJ AQ 88 99 TT. Happy to race against AK too for a 100+bb pot this deep, gives us a huge chance of FT'ing. Never flatting as that would be spew oop. Very awkward stack sizes to 4b anything other than all in imo.

Just my opinion. Ta

[outragous76]

Easiest jam ever

really? i sigh fold.

I see so many thin iso plays. Guy who mins it probs has Ax, KQ, mid pairs so often. Cold caller probs similar range. Maybe 4 bet calling is better than jamming. Reads obv come into it too but readless Im getting my chips in

ignore the shorty he is irrelevant - but there is a flatter too

[Pharo]

All In imo. Without any reads I am not going to worry about either the iso raiser or the caller having a super tight range. It is more likely that the iso-raiser just has some kind of top 10-15% hand and even though it's possible the caller could be on AA or KK I'm not going to jump to that conclusion when he could have a smaller pair, AK-AT, KQ or just be a fish calling much too wide. I really hate flatting OOP and letting two people with worse hands try to out flop you or outplay you when the pot is already this big. Obv never 4-bet folding so I would just jam.


That being said, I actually played with XdobrationX recently and he was very aggressive, making this an even easier shove since I am totally not worried about him having a strong hand here.

[George2Loose]

Easiest jam ever

really? i sigh fold.

I see so many thin iso plays. Guy who mins it probs has Ax, KQ, mid pairs so often. Cold caller probs similar range. Maybe 4 bet calling is better than jamming. Reads obv come into it too but readless Im getting my chips in

ignore the shorty he is irrelevant - but there is a flatter too

Shorty is hugely relevant in this spot

[outragous76]

Easiest jam ever

really? i sigh fold.

I see so many thin iso plays. Guy who mins it probs has Ax, KQ, mid pairs so often. Cold caller probs similar range. Maybe 4 bet calling is better than jamming. Reads obv come into it too but readless Im getting my chips in

ignore the shorty he is irrelevant - but there is a flatter too

Shorty is hugely relevant in this spot

i meant his holding isnt - with the exception of any AKQ he might hold but there is no meaninful way of narrowing his range

[Amatay]

Ok, cheers for responses, lets throw in two more scenario's...

A. What if the utg opener is the chip leader, whats our line then with JJ given that a player has 3b in mp and another player has flated?

B. Whats our line in the original hand but we have a slightly weaker hand than JJ? Maybe 99-1010 or an AQ for example, what then? Do we auto get it in with AK?

[boldie]

Fold in both cases for me.

AK, I'd get it in in the original hand