Travellers

[boldie]

I find this topic interesting including some of the views posted on here. Just because i am in the minority on here doesn't mean i can't air an opinion. A lot of posts on this forum include sarcasm and risque innuendo's which seems perfectly acceptable but when on this topic i say something which some members disagree with you all come out and form a gypsie Fan Club.

If we made this physical out in the playground of Blonde Head Quarters I'm sure your supporters will by far exceed mine. If we took it to the council estate 3 miles from where i live you and your gypsie Fan Club wouldn't stand a chance.

 

And if I went and stood outside the BNP and said "I wish all foreigners would just F*ck off, I hate them all" I'd probably have plenty supporters..doesn't mean it's an acceptable thing to say though.


Obv innuendo and sarcasm is on the same level as racism...you're right about that...it's obvious really. Why didn't I think of that?

[Claw75]

Obv innuendo and sarcasm is on the same level as racism...you're right about that...it's obvious really. Why didn't I think of that?

blooming 'eck that's me fked then. 


I wish. 


fnar fnar.


bollox.

[acc2020]

I find this topic interesting including some of the views posted on here. Just because i am in the minority on here doesn't mean i can't air an opinion. A lot of posts on this forum include sarcasm and risque innuendo's which seems perfectly acceptable but when on this topic i say something which some members disagree with you all come out and form a gypsie Fan Club.

If we made this physical out in the playground of Blonde Head Quarters I'm sure your supporters will by far exceed mine. If we took it to the council estate 3 miles from where i live you and your gypsie Fan Club wouldn't stand a chance.

Just when I thought your posts couldnt get worse...

Do you think the council estate folk 3 miles from where you live are intelligent upstanding people?

Think about what you've just typed there. Don't have an opinion either way about it. Lucky for you the Council Estate Fan Club can't afford computers.

[millidonk]

Obv innuendo and sarcasm is on the same level as racism...you're right about that...it's obvious really. Why didn't I think of that?

I wish people would just get to the point and bury it in a dark hole already. Wait, whats obvious?

[acc2020]

I find this topic interesting including some of the views posted on here. Just because i am in the minority on here doesn't mean i can't air an opinion. A lot of posts on this forum include sarcasm and risque innuendo's which seems perfectly acceptable but when on this topic i say something which some members disagree with you all come out and form a gypsie Fan Club.

If we made this physical out in the playground of Blonde Head Quarters I'm sure your supporters will by far exceed mine. If we took it to the council estate 3 miles from where i live you and your gypsie Fan Club wouldn't stand a chance.

No, you're getting me wrong. I'm not questioning your right to post your opinions, I'm I'm questioning your reasoning for bothering with this thread if you don't want to influence anyone and refuse to be influenced yourself.

I really don't understand your fan club comments, are people not allowed to agree with some of the things I say, or disagree with you?

As for your "Take it out to the playground comments", If you were to give me a good hiding what would that prove?

Is that how you win your arguments?

I accept what you are saying , i understand now. My multiple responses were to balance out the debate , it seemed to be one sided. I can also understand if others think i was trying to influence them , which is not the case.

As for the "playground "comment it was maybe a unsuccessful attempt at an analogy. Succinctly , from the area i live i would have more supporter than yourself. Nothing actually to do with knocking your block off.

[millidonk]

Just when I thought your posts couldn't get worse...

Do you think the council estate folk 3 miles from where you live are intelligent upstanding people?

Think about what you've just typed there. Don't have an opinion either way about it. Lucky for you the Council Estate Fan Club can't afford computers.

Obv it is a stupid thing to imply that people from council estates or not intelligent, I'm sure we all know that. But if Cos says 95% of people he has met from council estates were dumb then we are just going around in circles again with the same argument..

In the end of the day, if someone judges a whole race on the acts of a mere few, over a small sample size if you will, then they are ignorant, judgmental and for a better phrase most probably a dick head.

Obv still hate gingers tho!

[ManuelsMum]

I find this topic interesting including some of the views posted on here. Just because i am in the minority on here doesn't mean i can't air an opinion. A lot of posts on this forum include sarcasm and risque innuendo's which seems perfectly acceptable but when on this topic i say something which some members disagree with you all come out and form a gypsie Fan Club.

If we made this physical out in the playground of Blonde Head Quarters I'm sure your supporters will by far exceed mine. If we took it to the council estate 3 miles from where i live you and your gypsie Fan Club wouldn't stand a chance.

I'm sure that would be the same for a lot of prejudiced views as well related to ethnic minorities, Muslims, gays, etc.  Not sure why a group of random people from a council estate will have different views to a group of people from a posh estate in the suburbs though.

A point that Tom brought up earlier that you didn't respond to (you might have missed it amongst all the other posts) asked how you 'know' who is a Gypsy and who isn't?  You have attributed a lot of anti-social behaviour to Gypsies, when I'm guessing you mean 'travellers' (small t, rather than travellers with a big T).  Tom also mentioned that you probably come into contact with a lot of Gypsies and you don't even know they are, because they are not acting in a way you expect Gypsies to behave. 

I'm not keen on travellers who carry out anti-social behaviour.  I'm not keen on black or Asian gangs who carry out crimes.  However, I not keen on people who live in houses who carry out anti-social behaviour, or white gangs who engage in criminal activities.  The key part there is I don't like what they DO, what they ARE (in terms of race or skin colour, etc.) is irrelevant.  I think Islam is a horrible religion that promotes division and oppression (to non-Muslims, women, etc.), but that doesn't mean I hate Muslims.  I dislike a lot of what America stands for, but have nothing against American people. 

Travellers ARE what they DO. The clue is in the name.

[kinboshi]

I find this topic interesting including some of the views posted on here. Just because i am in the minority on here doesn't mean i can't air an opinion. A lot of posts on this forum include sarcasm and risque innuendo's which seems perfectly acceptable but when on this topic i say something which some members disagree with you all come out and form a gypsie Fan Club.

If we made this physical out in the playground of Blonde Head Quarters I'm sure your supporters will by far exceed mine. If we took it to the council estate 3 miles from where i live you and your gypsie Fan Club wouldn't stand a chance.

I'm sure that would be the same for a lot of prejudiced views as well related to ethnic minorities, Muslims, gays, etc.  Not sure why a group of random people from a council estate will have different views to a group of people from a posh estate in the suburbs though.

A point that Tom brought up earlier that you didn't respond to (you might have missed it amongst all the other posts) asked how you 'know' who is a Gypsy and who isn't?  You have attributed a lot of anti-social behaviour to Gypsies, when I'm guessing you mean 'travellers' (small t, rather than travellers with a big T).  Tom also mentioned that you probably come into contact with a lot of Gypsies and you don't even know they are, because they are not acting in a way you expect Gypsies to behave. 

I'm not keen on travellers who carry out anti-social behaviour.  I'm not keen on black or Asian gangs who carry out crimes.  However, I not keen on people who live in houses who carry out anti-social behaviour, or white gangs who engage in criminal activities.  The key part there is I don't like what they DO, what they ARE (in terms of race or skin colour, etc.) is irrelevant.  I think Islam is a horrible religion that promotes division and oppression (to non-Muslims, women, etc.), but that doesn't mean I hate Muslims.  I dislike a lot of what America stands for, but have nothing against American people. 

Travellers ARE what they DO. The clue is in the name.

Gypsies are what they do?

As for you point about 'travellers' - yes, they have a nomadic lifestyle.  That doesn't mean they all engage in anti-social behaviour and crime - otherwise they'd be called 'criminals'.

[RED-DOG]

Gypsy is not what you do, it is the way you are born.

I know quite a few Gypsies who have never lived in a caravan.


You can't decide to be a Gypsy, and you can't decide not to be a Gypsy.

[acc2020]

I find this topic interesting including some of the views posted on here. Just because i am in the minority on here doesn't mean i can't air an opinion. A lot of posts on this forum include sarcasm and risque innuendo's which seems perfectly acceptable but when on this topic i say something which some members disagree with you all come out and form a gypsie Fan Club.

If we made this physical out in the playground of Blonde Head Quarters I'm sure your supporters will by far exceed mine. If we took it to the council estate 3 miles from where i live you and your gypsie Fan Club wouldn't stand a chance.

I'm sure that would be the same for a lot of prejudiced views as well related to ethnic minorities, Muslims, gays, etc.  Not sure why a group of random people from a council estate will have different views to a group of people from a posh estate in the suburbs though.

A point that Tom brought up earlier that you didn't respond to (you might have missed it amongst all the other posts) asked how you 'know' who is a Gypsy and who isn't?  You have attributed a lot of anti-social behaviour to Gypsies, when I'm guessing you mean 'travellers' (small t, rather than travellers with a big T).  Tom also mentioned that you probably come into contact with a lot of Gypsies and you don't even know they are, because they are not acting in a way you expect Gypsies to behave. 

I'm not keen on travellers who carry out anti-social behaviour.  I'm not keen on black or Asian gangs who carry out crimes.  However, I not keen on people who live in houses who carry out anti-social behaviour, or white gangs who engage in criminal activities.  The key part there is I don't like what they DO, what they ARE (in terms of race or skin colour, etc.) is irrelevant.  I think Islam is a horrible religion that promotes division and oppression (to non-Muslims, women, etc.), but that doesn't mean I hate Muslims.  I dislike a lot of what America stands for, but have nothing against American people. 

Some areas of the country have been affected more than others by gypsies. So therefore the opinion in my area is quite negative towards gypsies. This is based their anti social behaviour and the consequences to the area during their frequent stays.

I probaby passed thousands of gypsies in my car or on the street. Some I've noticed , some I've not  but my view is formed around the ones I've had social interaction with. How many do i need to interact with to form an opinion ? Like i said its in the hundreds over the years ,is that enough ?

I'm not keen on anti social behaviour like anyone else , but the ones who partake in these activities are in a minority within their own group , that i have noticed.

Your point about Islam and America is what i am saying about gypsies.

[ManuelsMum]

I find this topic interesting including some of the views posted on here. Just because i am in the minority on here doesn't mean i can't air an opinion. A lot of posts on this forum include sarcasm and risque innuendo's which seems perfectly acceptable but when on this topic i say something which some members disagree with you all come out and form a gypsie Fan Club.

If we made this physical out in the playground of Blonde Head Quarters I'm sure your supporters will by far exceed mine. If we took it to the council estate 3 miles from where i live you and your gypsie Fan Club wouldn't stand a chance.

I'm sure that would be the same for a lot of prejudiced views as well related to ethnic minorities, Muslims, gays, etc.  Not sure why a group of random people from a council estate will have different views to a group of people from a posh estate in the suburbs though.

A point that Tom brought up earlier that you didn't respond to (you might have missed it amongst all the other posts) asked how you 'know' who is a Gypsy and who isn't?  You have attributed a lot of anti-social behaviour to Gypsies, when I'm guessing you mean 'travellers' (small t, rather than travellers with a big T).  Tom also mentioned that you probably come into contact with a lot of Gypsies and you don't even know they are, because they are not acting in a way you expect Gypsies to behave. 

I'm not keen on travellers who carry out anti-social behaviour.  I'm not keen on black or Asian gangs who carry out crimes.  However, I not keen on people who live in houses who carry out anti-social behaviour, or white gangs who engage in criminal activities.  The key part there is I don't like what they DO, what they ARE (in terms of race or skin colour, etc.) is irrelevant.  I think Islam is a horrible religion that promotes division and oppression (to non-Muslims, women, etc.), but that doesn't mean I hate Muslims.  I dislike a lot of what America stands for, but have nothing against American people. 

Travellers ARE what they DO. The clue is in the name.

Gypsies are what they do?

Yes, to the extent that it may affect the broad legitimacy of prejudice against them. Per my previous post....a large part of their identity comes from what they do...travel. They don't really find permanent roots in and among communities. If a Romani decides to settle in the house next door to acc2020, with family in tow, do you think that the prejudice would still be there 100% in the same way it would with a gay/black/jewish/muslim person next door to someone who hated them? Probably not. The fact that they don't settle/integrate (and maybe by extension don't feel the need to conform to social norms) is what breeds the suspicion and ill-will more than a blind out-group bias?

[Woodsey]

Just when I thought your posts couldn't get worse...

Do you think the council estate folk 3 miles from where you live are intelligent upstanding people?

Think about what you've just typed there. Don't have an opinion either way about it. Lucky for you the Council Estate Fan Club can't afford computers.

Obv it is a stupid thing to imply that people from council estates or not intelligent, I'm sure we all know that. But if Cos says 95% of people he has met from council estates were dumb then we are just going around in circles again with the same argument..

In the end of the day, if someone judges a whole race on the acts of a mere few, over a small sample size if you will, then they are ignorant, judgmental and for a better phrase most probably a dick head.

Obv still hate gingers tho!

WTF? I thought they were all thick fuckwits? Shit that's what they taught me at public school anyway, I learn something new every day  

[kinboshi]

I find this topic interesting including some of the views posted on here. Just because i am in the minority on here doesn't mean i can't air an opinion. A lot of posts on this forum include sarcasm and risque innuendo's which seems perfectly acceptable but when on this topic i say something which some members disagree with you all come out and form a gypsie Fan Club.

If we made this physical out in the playground of Blonde Head Quarters I'm sure your supporters will by far exceed mine. If we took it to the council estate 3 miles from where i live you and your gypsie Fan Club wouldn't stand a chance.

I'm sure that would be the same for a lot of prejudiced views as well related to ethnic minorities, Muslims, gays, etc.  Not sure why a group of random people from a council estate will have different views to a group of people from a posh estate in the suburbs though.

A point that Tom brought up earlier that you didn't respond to (you might have missed it amongst all the other posts) asked how you 'know' who is a Gypsy and who isn't?  You have attributed a lot of anti-social behaviour to Gypsies, when I'm guessing you mean 'travellers' (small t, rather than travellers with a big T).  Tom also mentioned that you probably come into contact with a lot of Gypsies and you don't even know they are, because they are not acting in a way you expect Gypsies to behave. 

I'm not keen on travellers who carry out anti-social behaviour.  I'm not keen on black or Asian gangs who carry out crimes.  However, I not keen on people who live in houses who carry out anti-social behaviour, or white gangs who engage in criminal activities.  The key part there is I don't like what they DO, what they ARE (in terms of race or skin colour, etc.) is irrelevant.  I think Islam is a horrible religion that promotes division and oppression (to non-Muslims, women, etc.), but that doesn't mean I hate Muslims.  I dislike a lot of what America stands for, but have nothing against American people. 

Travellers ARE what they DO. The clue is in the name.

Gypsies are what they do?

Yes, to the extent that it may affect the broad legitimacy of prejudice against them. Per my previous post....a large part of their identity comes from what they do...travel. They don't really find permanent roots in and among communities. If a Romani decides to settle in the house next door to acc2020, with family in tow, do you think that the prejudice would still be there 100% in the same way it would with a gay/black/jewish/muslim person next door to someone who hated them? Probably not. The fact that they don't settle/integrate (and maybe by extension don't feel the need to conform to social norms) is what breeds the suspicion and ill-will more than a blind out-group bias?

No, that's 'travellers'.  Read Tom's post above.  Gypsies are a race, you're born a Gypsy. 

[kinboshi]

I find this topic interesting including some of the views posted on here. Just because i am in the minority on here doesn't mean i can't air an opinion. A lot of posts on this forum include sarcasm and risque innuendo's which seems perfectly acceptable but when on this topic i say something which some members disagree with you all come out and form a gypsie Fan Club.

If we made this physical out in the playground of Blonde Head Quarters I'm sure your supporters will by far exceed mine. If we took it to the council estate 3 miles from where i live you and your gypsie Fan Club wouldn't stand a chance.

I'm sure that would be the same for a lot of prejudiced views as well related to ethnic minorities, Muslims, gays, etc.  Not sure why a group of random people from a council estate will have different views to a group of people from a posh estate in the suburbs though.

A point that Tom brought up earlier that you didn't respond to (you might have missed it amongst all the other posts) asked how you 'know' who is a Gypsy and who isn't?  You have attributed a lot of anti-social behaviour to Gypsies, when I'm guessing you mean 'travellers' (small t, rather than travellers with a big T).  Tom also mentioned that you probably come into contact with a lot of Gypsies and you don't even know they are, because they are not acting in a way you expect Gypsies to behave. 

I'm not keen on travellers who carry out anti-social behaviour.  I'm not keen on black or Asian gangs who carry out crimes.  However, I not keen on people who live in houses who carry out anti-social behaviour, or white gangs who engage in criminal activities.  The key part there is I don't like what they DO, what they ARE (in terms of race or skin colour, etc.) is irrelevant.  I think Islam is a horrible religion that promotes division and oppression (to non-Muslims, women, etc.), but that doesn't mean I hate Muslims.  I dislike a lot of what America stands for, but have nothing against American people. 

Some areas of the country have been affected more than others by gypsies. So therefore the opinion in my area is quite negative towards gypsies. This is based their anti social behaviour and the consequences to the area during their frequent stays.

I probaby passed thousands of gypsies in my car or on the street. Some I've noticed , some I've not  but my view is formed around the ones I've had social interaction with. How many do i need to interact with to form an opinion ? Like i said its in the hundreds over the years ,is that enough ?

I'm not keen on anti social behaviour like anyone else , but the ones who partake in these activities are in a minority within their own group , that i have noticed.

Your point about Islam and America is what i am saying about gypsies.

You say they're affected by Gypsies.  You know they're Gypsies?  Your next-door neighbour, are they Gypsies?  The bank manager, is he a Gypsy? 

My point about Islam and Americans is not the same as what you're saying about Gypsies at all, don't misrepresent me.  I don't have a 'position' on Muslims or Americans before I meet them - I treat them as individuals, not on preconceived stereotypes.  I do the same with Welsh, Greeks, Japanese, English, Scots - even the Dutch.

[ManuelsMum]

I find this topic interesting including some of the views posted on here. Just because i am in the minority on here doesn't mean i can't air an opinion. A lot of posts on this forum include sarcasm and risque innuendo's which seems perfectly acceptable but when on this topic i say something which some members disagree with you all come out and form a gypsie Fan Club.

If we made this physical out in the playground of Blonde Head Quarters I'm sure your supporters will by far exceed mine. If we took it to the council estate 3 miles from where i live you and your gypsie Fan Club wouldn't stand a chance.

I'm sure that would be the same for a lot of prejudiced views as well related to ethnic minorities, Muslims, gays, etc.  Not sure why a group of random people from a council estate will have different views to a group of people from a posh estate in the suburbs though.

A point that Tom brought up earlier that you didn't respond to (you might have missed it amongst all the other posts) asked how you 'know' who is a Gypsy and who isn't?  You have attributed a lot of anti-social behaviour to Gypsies, when I'm guessing you mean 'travellers' (small t, rather than travellers with a big T).  Tom also mentioned that you probably come into contact with a lot of Gypsies and you don't even know they are, because they are not acting in a way you expect Gypsies to behave. 

I'm not keen on travellers who carry out anti-social behaviour.  I'm not keen on black or Asian gangs who carry out crimes.  However, I not keen on people who live in houses who carry out anti-social behaviour, or white gangs who engage in criminal activities.  The key part there is I don't like what they DO, what they ARE (in terms of race or skin colour, etc.) is irrelevant.  I think Islam is a horrible religion that promotes division and oppression (to non-Muslims, women, etc.), but that doesn't mean I hate Muslims.  I dislike a lot of what America stands for, but have nothing against American people. 

Travellers ARE what they DO. The clue is in the name.

Gypsies are what they do?

Yes, to the extent that it may affect the broad legitimacy of prejudice against them. Per my previous post....a large part of their identity comes from what they do...travel. They don't really find permanent roots in and among communities. If a Romani decides to settle in the house next door to acc2020, with family in tow, do you think that the prejudice would still be there 100% in the same way it would with a gay/black/jewish/muslim person next door to someone who hated them? Probably not. The fact that they don't settle/integrate (and maybe by extension don't feel the need to conform to social norms) is what breeds the suspicion and ill-will more than a blind out-group bias?

No, that's 'travellers'.  Read Tom's post above.  Gypsies are a race, you're born a Gypsy. 

So 'gypsies' and 'travellers' have nothing to do with each other then? Gypsies just settle into brick and morrar society just like your average non-gypsy? The fact that people are born Gypsy doesn't generally lead to a set of social behaviours that are different from the norm?