dtd 1k full house vs friend

[NigDawG]

villain is craig mccorkell, a very good friend of mine who i think plays well. he is one of the people i talk to most about poker, although we haven't played each other all that much. i've been on his left all day and we've been having banter etc. since the antes i've been playing noticeably absurd and showing bluffs.

a fish limps for 400 in mid position, craig makes it 1300 otb playing 38k. he has isolated limpers frequently. i call with 55 in the bb marginally covering craig. the fish calls too.

flop.  we check to craig who bets 1125. it's a small cbet but this flop is very dry and he has been cbetting very small on the dry flops all day. i c/r to 3200, he calls after not much thought.
 
turn.  i barrel 6800, he calls quite quickly.

river. the pot is around 25k and he has a little more than that. i sized the turn deliberately to make the river a slightly larger than pot shove. i thought this river card was one of the worst rivers possible and am now thinking if i should even shove at all. i was conscious to make sure that if i do shove, i do it within say 20 seconds because otherwise i think it would look even stronger. i think craig hand reads well enough to know that i basically do not have a check calling range on the river and could turn Tx into a bluff by shoving when checked to.

i've thought about this hand quite a bit and have some other thoughts as to how i could of played it but i'll leave it there for now. so yeh, thoughts?

[titaniumbean]

meh I like flop sizing if we want to look like we're messing with him/have the widest possible range, if we lead and then try and puts lots of money in it's going to be hard for him not to give us credit as we have to be doing a pretty massive spack out and can reasonably have some Tx hands.

w/ roughly a psb back we could check the river to try and rep a Tx hand that is potentially c/fing it's not like we ever really have an 88 or AQ here so if we think he can bluff the river wider when checked to than he can hero call this river when we jam then we check. I'd just still try and jam pretty quickly.

maybe go for super sick levelling and put 1 finger in the air visibly before we jam?

[GreekStein]

Bram you're a hero

[smashedagain]

Bram you're a hero

totally agree. any comment here is like Audely Harrison trying to tell Manny Pacquiao how to box. well done Titaniumbean 

[Patonius2000]

villain is craig mccorkell, a very good friend of mine who i think plays well. he is one of the people i talk to most about poker, although we haven't played each other all that much. i've been on his left all day and we've been having banter etc. since the antes i've been playing noticeably absurd and showing bluffs.

a fish limps for 400 in mid position, craig makes it 1300 otb playing 38k. he has isolated limpers frequently. i call with 55 in the bb marginally covering craig. the fish calls too.

flop.  we check to craig who bets 1125. it's a small cbet but this flop is very dry and he has been cbetting very small on the dry flops all day. i c/r to 3200, he calls after not much thought.
 
turn.  i barrel 6800, he calls quite quickly.

river. the pot is around 25k and he has a little more than that. i sized the turn deliberately to make the river a slightly larger than pot shove. i thought this river card was one of the worst rivers possible and am now thinking if i should even shove at all. i was conscious to make sure that if i do shove, i do it within say 20 seconds because otherwise i think it would look even stronger. i think craig hand reads well enough to know that i basically do not have a check calling range on the river and could turn Tx into a bluff by shoving when checked to.

i've thought about this hand quite a bit and have some other thoughts as to how i could of played it but i'll leave it there for now. so yeh, thoughts?

His range is heavily weighted towards Tx and big flushes here. If you think he shoves those when checked to then you should check call ai. Also some possibility he has other hands he turns in to bluffs, AK/JJ etc?
To be clear he wouldn't be bluffing with a flush but would be bluffing with Tx/pairs if he shoved the river. If the latter is true then the former is a value bet.
i.e. He would shove flushes if he thinks that you think he can turn hands <good 10 in to a bluff and you always shove a house rather than checking. By checking you value own him when he has hands he can't call a shove with but hands that are better than the top of your perceived check calling range (and thus he has to bet)), and you also pick off the hands he turns in to a bluff. That isn't clear at all but it makes sense if you read it a few times.

P.S. I added the bolded part to try and be clearer. I've not really played with craig but idk if he would jam in this spot where he 'always thinks he has the best hand" but 'never gets called with worse' if he has any sort of bluffing range then obviously he should but I don't know if he would. I heard it on grapevine that he is somewhat of a 'nit'.

[ruholding]

what did the villian have sir??

[SuuPRlim]

go all in, most of the time they can't call

fyp

[NigDawG]

yeh rob that does make sense. guess only he really knows if he would turn Tx into a bluff when checked to...i think he is definitely capable of it but as they say "nit's gonna nit".

what did the villian have sir??

KK

[SuuPRlim]

yeh rob that does make sense. guess only he really knows if he would turn Tx into a bluff when checked to...i think he is definitely capable of it but as they say "nit's gonna nit".

what did the villian have sir??

KK

run fucking better corkal

[Solaris]

For those who wish to shove what hands do we expect to call OTR? If I'm the villain I'm folding everything but a full house. It seems impossible that we can be ahead with a flush.

Think the river's a bet/fold personally. There's so little in his range we beat.

[NigDawG]

Think the river's a bet/fold personally. There's so little in his range we beat.

beat T8s-JTs, ATs, T9o-JTo, ATo, K6hh-K9hh, KJhh, AKhh, AJhh, JJ, AA

lose to TT, QQ-KK, QTs-KTs, QTo-KTo

thats probs a fair assessment of his range that gets to the river. (it might be slightly wider vs a lot of opponents but this is what i imagined craig's range was like when he calls the turn quickly. in any case widening the range would only make our hand stronger)

saying "there's so little in his range we beat" is wrong

[pleno1]

i think he means in his raising range.

[Solaris]

Think the river's a bet/fold personally. There's so little in his range we beat.

beat T8s-JTs, ATs, T9o-JTo, ATo, K6hh-K9hh, KJhh, AKhh, AJhh, JJ, AA

lose to TT, QQ-KK, QTs-KTs, QTo-KTo

thats probs a fair assessment of his range that gets to the river. (it might be slightly wider vs a lot of opponents but this is what i imagined craig's range was like when he calls the turn quickly. in any case widening the range would only make our hand stronger)

saying "there's so little in his range we beat" is wrong

Pleno hit the nail on the head. My bad for wording it poorly.

In any case, what part of that range you listed calls a river shove? I think bet/folding is the best option. In fact I don't see the merits in any other option.

[Royal Flush]

lol at how nitty craig is that he cants have QT KT T7s etc in his range here

[SuuPRlim]

lol at how nitty craig is that he cants have QT KT T7s etc in his range here

the  is out, and I think he's much more likely to call  than  , also being live and not using a four color deck I reckon he'll prolly let the  go as well. So yh seems hard for him to have T7s imo