JJ tough UTG spot

[craiggg999]

History on player is a guy who has called my 3 bet with9 5 when i have  KK around 50 hands before...peeled on a Q 9 3 board and turned the 5, obv all goes in and he gives me the rub down(standard)



PokerStars Game #65400274482: Tournament #432010631, $8.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (625/1250) - 2011/08/01 20:02:12 ET
Table '432010631 45' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: PioCowboy (37178 in chips)
Seat 2: Chum 0FF (85464 in chips)
Seat 3: powerhockey (28144 in chips)
Seat 4: topzozi (7068 in chips)
Seat 5: Mattis89 (23184 in chips)
Seat 6: yid_craig (44864 in chips)
Seat 7: wegwijspiet (6620 in chips)
Seat 8: JuniorJ77 (5929 in chips)
Seat 9: donald0404 (20771 in chips)
PioCowboy: posts the ante 150
Chum 0FF: posts the ante 150
powerhockey: posts the ante 150
topzozi: posts the ante 150
Mattis89: posts the ante 150
yid_craig: posts the ante 150
wegwijspiet: posts the ante 150
JuniorJ77: posts the ante 150
donald0404: posts the ante 150
powerhockey: posts small blind 625
topzozi: posts big blind 1250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to yid_craig [ ]
Mattis89: raises 21784 to 23034 and is all-in

Horrible spot in my opinion....opinions?

[EvilPie]

[ ] UTG

[ ] Tough spot

[ ] Horrible spot

[ ] Folding

[smashedagain]

[ ] the history helps
[X] take the rest and return the rub down

[muckthenuts]

well it's not a fold.

[boldie]

Just get it in.

[redarmi]

Simple call

[Nico29]

Insta rr allin-never calling less we actually think this looks stronger-don't level yrslf and just iso jam.

It's not really a tough spot with JJ.

With something like 99/aqo you have a tough decision-now you gotta go with reads,dynamic, structure etc..

In this spot yr actually ahead of his range so fist pump jammage please as you would with ak.

Think tens i'd be getting it in without the fist pumpage and aqstd too.

[Solaris]

The only thing that would be deemed tough in this spot is how hard you slammed down the mouse as you click call.

[Nit Tendencies]

Don't want to be rude but this is a very easy spot. It's safe to assume that in an $8 tournament that most players are going to try and induce with a smaller raise with QQ-AA and even AK-AQ sometimes (although they are quite solidly in his range to open shove here). So JJ is a snap call. He's going to shove up with hands like 88-TT AK and AQ here quite a lot.

Sonic boom reshove.

[buzzharvey22]

lol mbn

[SuuPRlim]

threads like this go on far too long imo. download pokerstove, use a calculator and jobs done.

[smashedagain]

threads like this go on far too long imo. download pokerstove, use a calculator and jobs done.

My play is very dependant on each and every different situation. One instance with the same hand is I will always c bet a rock if I miss becauSe he folds when he has not hit. Same hand and I miss I never C bet the idiot calling station because he calls. Now Dave if I down load pokerstove and use my calculator to learn what you think is the correct play in every situation, should I then be able to out play you because I know exactly what you think you should be doing so I act accordingly. Playing the opposite style to the rest of your table has always been profitable in poker. Sit with 8 tight players aggression wins, sitting with 8 aggros then tight is right. If I sit with 8 people who are stove/maths experts can I find a game/formula to beat them or is it as clear cut that stove says it's right so I can't beat it.

It's not a level just an interesting question because computers have not been able to beat chess grand masters too successfully which I assume would be down to the human being able to react better to each individual situation better than a computer

[SuuPRlim]

threads like this go on far too long imo. download pokerstove, use a calculator and jobs done.

My play is very dependant on each and every different situation. One instance with the same hand is I will always c bet a rock if I miss becauSe he folds when he has not hit. Same hand and I miss I never C bet the idiot calling station because he calls. Now Dave if I down load pokerstove and use my calculator to learn what you think is the correct play in every situation, should I then be able to out play you because I know exactly what you think you should be doing so I act accordingly. Playing the opposite style to the rest of your table has always been profitable in poker. Sit with 8 tight players aggression wins, sitting with 8 aggros then tight is right. If I sit with 8 people who are stove/maths experts can I find a game/formula to beat them or is it as clear cut that stove says it's right so I can't beat it.

It's not a level just an interesting question because computers have not been able to beat chess grand masters too successfully which I assume would be down to the human being able to react better to each individual situation better than a computer

you're talking about when to/when to not Cbet, which is nothing at all connected to this thread, and I agree completely no pokerstove can tell you when you should cbet you use other poker knowledge like the things you suggested for that.

This specific hand is a case of X player jams Y range of hands. We have Z hand, we're getting X-1 odd, so need T% to call the bet. How do we find if we should have called or not?

[smashedagain]

yes understand. just wanted to get a quick question in and this was the first thread i opened and was un sure how long i would have been around for.

[Nit Tendencies]

threads like this go on far too long imo. download pokerstove, use a calculator and jobs done.

Now Dave if I down load pokerstove and use my calculator to learn what you think is the correct play in every situation, should I then be able to out play you because I know exactly what you think you should be doing so I act accordingly.

I really hope this is a joke Jason. Because this guy moves all in pre flop, it becomes a mathematical decision. Using your theory you should be able to do loads of stove and equity studies and beat Galfond hu at $1k/$2k PLO. But you can't, because that's not how poker works.

Get a job.