DTD 300- Tough spot or easiest fold ever

[SuuPRlim]

also abso sick value line from this guy

hats off imo

 

One of those, "I'm really not sure if you're being serious or not" moments.

Obv level

Maybe he means it. I mean after all, even the villain thinks he played it face up and you should have made a super duper easy fold...lol

I reckon when you called george he prolly said something like

"you've got me haven't you"

[George2Loose]

As I was dwelling I did try a bit of speech play. Said "You must have aces- ak no good?" One thing he did well was pull off weakness (or my live reads or tez, one or the other) so he knew what I had before I called. His comment was obv not meant as a rub but he though he had telegraphed his hand to me- Well done buddy- u want to tell the world you have aces in this spot.

[Cf]

Starting to sound like whinging George

[George2Loose]

Starting to sound like whinging George

Ha mate not at all. If anything more disappointment than anything. Was playing really well and chipping up nicely.

[EvilPie]

Starting to sound like whinging George

Ha mate not at all. If anything more disappointment than anything. Was playing really well and chipping up nicely.

If you're playing well and chipping up nicely I'd say one high risk hand like this one is best avoided.

Yes you might get bluffed of the best hand occasionally but so what?

People seem to be using the A10 hand to suggest that our opponent is bad because he got the lot in with tptk and was behind.

Why does that hand give us reason to think he's ever got worse here than tptk?

He clearly over values big pairs when playing deep so just wait 'til you've got something slightly better than that and stack him.

[skolsuper]

Wtf Mantis? Sometimes I wonder if you're sane. Yeah Simon and I just think information isn't important in poker.

Post some quantitative analysis one day so we can pin you down. Post your name. Post which games you play in. Something so we can justify spending any amount of time reading or answering your posts. Until then, I'll make my posts as short as I like tyvm

[MANTIS01]

Wtf Mantis? Sometimes I wonder if you're sane. Yeah Simon and I just think information isn't important in poker.

Post some quantitative analysis one day so we can pin you down. Post your name. Post which games you play in. Something so we can justify spending any amount of time reading or answering your posts. Until then, I'll make my posts as short as I like tyvm

Wtf James? You said "Knowing your opponent's cards in a certain spot 30 mins ago is borderline useless in a live game, that spot will never arise again". Yet this whole thread is driven by that info. This is a completely different spot with lots of dynamics having changed yet people are very very convinced of what they know about villain. Simon was saying it's all about the dynamics and the knee bobbing up and down and you were like that's the best post I've read in a long time. People having such conviction in this useless info supports my line in that live stream debate, which I think is a serious debate to have.

Anyway enough of that. I don't really post on PHA anymore but did have a look at this thread. I like George's threads. I did think your input was a bit lazy really and you could pass on more wisdom than that but w/e that's your choice. I also thought trivial fold needed to be challenged really. Best way to do this I figure is argue for calling. Then I can stimulate debate and get good responses from top players like James Sykes. If you look at this thread now you will see it's by far the most viewed and contributed to thread on PHA. Many more views and posts than the others. A very good debate. Some excellent posts. And in the end a much different conclusion to trivial fold. And there is my justification for posting buddy.

But you want to judge my inclusion in discussions on ability, from your position as a pro? lol. And who is this we I have to justify myself to buddy?

Anyway mate I play the £15 rebuy at Walsall

[SuuPRlim]

good responses from top players like James Sykes

lol

[DMorgan]

I'm in the trivial fold camp too. Just because he is a fish doesn't mean that he can have lots of hands here.

Fish are fish because they aren't thinking on a high enough level and consequently play their hands face up the majority of the time.

[Boba Fett]

To sum up, despite saying nothing that made any kind of sense in relation to this hand, Mantis is the sole reason this thread because what it did.  Congrats Mantis, you are a hero........

[MANTIS01]

To sum up, despite saying nothing that made any kind of sense in relation to this hand, Mantis is the sole reason this thread because what it did.  Congrats Mantis, you are a hero........

Yeah, I'm the man who made no sense and the sole reason this thread because what it did. Wp Boba.

[Nit Tendencies]

Wtf Mantis? Sometimes I wonder if you're sane. Yeah Simon and I just think information isn't important in poker.

Post some quantitative analysis one day so we can pin you down. Post your name. Post which games you play in. Something so we can justify spending any amount of time reading or answering your posts. Until then, I'll make my posts as short as I like tyvm

Wtf James? You said "Knowing your opponent's cards in a certain spot 30 mins ago is borderline useless in a live game, that spot will never arise again". Yet this whole thread is driven by that info. This is a completely different spot with lots of dynamics having changed yet people are very very convinced of what they know about villain. Simon was saying it's all about the dynamics and the knee bobbing up and down and you were like that's the best post I've read in a long time. People having such conviction in this useless info supports my line in that live stream debate, which I think is a serious debate to have.

Anyway enough of that. I don't really post on PHA anymore but did have a look at this thread. I like George's threads. I did think your input was a bit lazy really and you could pass on more wisdom than that but w/e that's your choice. I also thought trivial fold needed to be challenged really. Best way to do this I figure is argue for calling. Then I can stimulate debate and get good responses from top players like James Sykes. If you look at this thread now you will see it's by far the most viewed and contributed to thread on PHA. Many more views and posts than the others. A very good debate. Some excellent posts. And in the end a much different conclusion to trivial fold. And there is my justification for posting buddy.

But you want to judge my inclusion in discussions on ability, from your position as a pro? lol. And who is this we I have to justify myself to buddy?

Anyway mate I play the £15 rebuy at Walsall

I knew you'd be misquoting or misapplying, it would be pretty insane for someone as sick as James to claim that knowing someones hole cards is useless lol.

And tbf, we did kind of conclude that it was a trivial fold, but just explored every reason why it is and why it may not be.

P.S. Thanks for the compliment, appreciate it.

[SuuPRlim]

if this thread proves anything it's that its a simple, but painful fold.

[skolsuper]

Wtf Mantis? Sometimes I wonder if you're sane. Yeah Simon and I just think information isn't important in poker.

Post some quantitative analysis one day so we can pin you down. Post your name. Post which games you play in. Something so we can justify spending any amount of time reading or answering your posts. Until then, I'll make my posts as short as I like tyvm

Wtf James? You said "Knowing your opponent's cards in a certain spot 30 mins ago is borderline useless in a live game, that spot will never arise again". Yet this whole thread is driven by that info. This is a completely different spot with lots of dynamics having changed yet people are very very convinced of what they know about villain. Simon was saying it's all about the dynamics and the knee bobbing up and down and you were like that's the best post I've read in a long time. People having such conviction in this useless info supports my line in that live stream debate, which I think is a serious debate to have.

Anyway enough of that. I don't really post on PHA anymore but did have a look at this thread. I like George's threads. I did think your input was a bit lazy really and you could pass on more wisdom than that but w/e that's your choice. I also thought trivial fold needed to be challenged really. Best way to do this I figure is argue for calling. Then I can stimulate debate and get good responses from top players like James Sykes. If you look at this thread now you will see it's by far the most viewed and contributed to thread on PHA. Many more views and posts than the others. A very good debate. Some excellent posts. And in the end a much different conclusion to trivial fold. And there is my justification for posting buddy.

But you want to judge my inclusion in discussions on ability, from your position as a pro? lol. And who is this we I have to justify myself to buddy?

Anyway mate I play the £15 rebuy at Walsall

It's fun to have lots of replies isn't it? Your posts are less about "stimulating debate" than you stimulating yourself. As to your 'debate', your friend James Sykes, among many others, has been arguing with you that you can't infer from the previous hand very much about our opponent's range in this hand. Even if we could, which we can't, it would have no relevance to the live streaming holecards debate as the hand went to showdown. That "the whole thread is driven by this debate" is solely your doing, and if you look at what other people are posting once in a while, you'll see that very few mentioned the previous hand in their analysis until you came along, and even then they're telling you it's not relevant.

Why did you feel that "trivial fold" needed to be challenged when you yourself think it is a fold? How is the conclusion 'fold' "very much different" to 'trivial fold'? What's the point in arguing how close a decision is when both sides agree? It's like driving off a cliff and arguing about how fast you were going when you went over the edge. For the rest of us that post on PHA, debate is a means to explore different lines and maybe (although not necessarily) come to a conclusion, it is not an end in itself.

Finally, what is your hangup with my "position as a pro" meaning I can't tell you that you're wrong? Try going on a plumbing forum and telling people who ask for plumbing advice to use lead pipes, see how many nasty "professional" plumbers tell you to gtfo with your archaic plumbing techniques.

[George2Loose]

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