Settle an argument

[gatso]

If both players were complete newbies and had never played before the hole in one would be reached first.

how can you possibly say that when there are pro players who do nothing but play golf all day who have never hit a hole in one?

[EvilPie]

If both players were complete newbies and had never played before the hole in one would be reached first.

how can you possibly say that when there are pro players who do nothing but play golf all day who have never hit a hole in one?

I can say it because it's an opinion. There are no cold hard facts or science that can sway this argument one way or another.

My thinking was along the following lines:

I'm assuming that pros don't practice hole in ones very often as it's pretty pointless. If this is wrong I apologise.

A round of golf takes about 3 hours? Again this is a guess?

I'll assume a max of 3 rounds per day. Assuming 4 par 3 holes that's 12 goes at a hole in one every day.

If he plays every day of the year that's 4380 goes per year.

I think I've gone way over the top here and that the pros won't really have this many goes. Therefore they just don't have that many goes at something which is apparently a 12500 to 1 shot anyway.

If there were controlled confitions you could have 1 go every minute or so. I don't think it would take long before you were hitting the ball in roughly the right direction. It then becomes a case of luck more than skill.

There is much less luck involved in achieving a 180 as you have to be much more precise. It would take many more goes before you were getting anywhere near the 60 never mind 3 of them at the same time.

There is much more chance of achieving a fluke hole in one than achieving the level of competence necessary to hit a 180.

This is all just my opinion of course.

[thetank]

I think what he meant is that if you give a complete novice 3 darts and ask him to try for a 180 then he is less likely to achieve this on his first try, second try, third try than if you hand a complete novice a golf club and ask him to hit a hole in one. The 180 involving 3 flukes and the hole in 1 involving 1 fluke.

Personally I'm not convinced of that either. A complete noob triple fluking a treble 20 is probably still more likely than a complete noob fluking a hole in one. The complete golf noob is going to hit the ball anywhere near the pin such a low % of the time. When they swing with enough power they're unlikely to hit the ball in the right place, when they hit the ball in the right place they won't use enough power. First day of golf, how many greens did you hit?

In contrast your dart noob will hit the board well over >50%*

*source : watching Bullseye in late 80s and early 90s on Sundays at my Grandad's house.

[gatso]

I would've thought pros would have a load of shots at each hole rather than just playing rounds wouldn't they? otherwise they'd be spending most of their practice time walking round. I'm only guessing too though, no idea really

[gatso]

surely the way to settle this is to just find out which one girgy managed first

[doubleup]

All I can say is anybody going around offering bods 12,500-1 to hit a 180 is going to go skint very quickly.

[EvilPie]

All I can say is anybody going around offering bods 12,500-1 to hit a 180 is going to go skint very quickly.

It obviously depends on competence.

Someone who's never played darts has to be millions to one to get a 180 but noob golfer would be the same to hit a hole in one.

A pro golfer would be nowhere near 12500 to 1 to hit a hole in one. I'd guess having constant goes at it they'd hit one within 1000 attempts.

A pro darts player probably hits a 180 every 5 goes or so?

There's a level of competence somewhere in there where both are as likely to be achieved as each other.

An amateur golfer is probably almost as likely to hit a hole in one as a pro.

An amateur darts player is nowhere near as likely to hit a 180 as the pro darts player.

Again this is all opinion. Could be very wrong.

[Junior Senior]

180 requires more skill
hole in one less likely and therefore harder to achieve

dubai ended the thread in record time

Being pretty proficient at darts and very good at golf this is definitely correct. You have to be really good at darts to get a 180. Anyone at pretty much any standard can get a hole in one with some skill and luck

[sweet potata!]

I dont think you have to be really good at darts to get a 180, If you land the 1st dart perfectly in the treb 20, then that auto creates a bigger target, It's easier for a newb to then just aim at the dart they have just thrown before they know it 2 darts are in and the 2 darts now look like a humongous target, now just hold your bottle and land 1 on top of them darts then boom ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNE HUUUUUUUNDDDDREEEEEEEED AND EEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGHHHHHHTYYYYYYYY

Simples

[doubleup]

There's a level of competence somewhere in there where both are as likely to be achieved as each other.

Apparently a pro golfer is about 2500-1 and an amateur is 12500-1. So superlative skill doesn't make the hole in one anything like as likely as superlative skill in darts makes the 180 likely.  A hole in one is just too difficult.  Actually girgy playing at the pitch and put is the best comparison.  I think that maybe something like holing a 40 yard pitch to the green is getting near to a comparison.

[paulhouk03]

9 dart finish or a 147 in snnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooker?

[Solaris]

9 dart finish or a 147 in snnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooker?

Now that I like!

No idea either.

[paulhouk03]

hole in one is harder then 180

but it hink 9 darter will be harder then 147 right

147 u can mess up and get back on track but 147 has little room for mistake

[Solaris]

147 u can mess up and get back on track but 147 has little room for mistake

Confused.com

[outragous76]

147 u can mess up and get back on track but 147 has little room for mistake

Confused.com

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