DTD feedback/rulings

[Cf]

I've not been to DTD much recently but went last night to support the GP, and bagged myself a seat in the process (brag)

There's a few things though that niggled me so I thought i'd offer the following constructive criticism.

1) Tables were 10-handed. This is really uncomfortable and I felt like I had no breathing room. Especially when Girgy got moved next to me They used to be 9 handed. Why the change? Even if it was just for the GP we only started with like 6 or 7 tables and loads of dealers sat around doing nothing. I played the last GP and they were 10-handed, presumably so you could get as many players in as possible, but that wasn't the case here.

2) Chip stacks! I remember the good old days where DTD left you with mountains of chips. Now you chip up at every possible oppurtunity and it saddens me

The next two are ruling related so prob of interest to dik9

3) Action was on a player and he said "pot". Obviously this is nonsense in no limit. But the dealer didn't know how to handle it. So she called the floor. Fair enough. The ruling though... the player is made to check. Eh? He clearly intended to bet. Why is he being made to check? Ruling should be "you can't bet the pot as we can't count it. please pick a number". He definitely shouldn't be made to check. Could easily be used as an angle shoot too. If I want to see a free card I can just say "pot" knowing it looks like I want to bet big but I'll be made to check.

4) Dealer deals flop before big blind has checked. The flop is pulled away but the turn and river are dealt face down. The flop is then reshuffled and dealed. I don't like this. The whole board should be reshuffled. I don't care about "preserving the integrity" of what would come. They're just random cards. But in this situation they're no longer random cards. They're cards that are specifically not one of the 3 cards we have just seen. Now all players have this information but it's going to change the dynamic of the hand and that isn't on. Also, one of the reasons we have burn cards is so if cards are marked we can't see them before they're dealt. Placing the turn/river face down on the table completely negates this fact.

Hopefully that doesn't come across as my usual moaning

[StuartHopkin]

Ill give you 3 out of 4 Charlie

[MC]

Ill give you 3 out of 4 Charlie

Yeah, 1 sucks, 3 and 4 are tez rulings, but meh @ #2.

[outragous76]

Yeah stu likes to snuggle in close to his fellow table mates

[JK]

Number 3 is very dependant on how they put it. If they say "Bet the pot", then they are made to bet the minimum, as pot is an inexsitant number in No Limit. Raise the pot being the mininmum also. However, I think "pot" is a little less clear as to the obvious action. Probably best to open a discussion. Personally, I think it should be the same as "bet the pot", and the player be made to make a minimum bet.

Number 4 is DTD's rules, as it is that of alot of other cardrooms Iv played in. I dont really know the in depth argument as to why thats the correct way, but I believe it to be perfectly fine (though I have been brought up with that ruling so Im not really going to see any other way as correct.

[gatso]

no number 5? didn't you say they took stacks out of play?

pot ruling is lolbad

[Boba Fett]

Agree with #4, I dont see why they cant shuffle the whole board in, they are random cards that havent appeared yet.  It doesnt really matter what "would have come" as nobody will ever know

[Girgy85]

no number 5? didn't you say they took stacks out of play?

pot ruling is lolbad

Yea after the end of re entries the dead stacks were removed

[Yogi-Bear]

I've not been to DTD much recently but went last night to support the GP, and bagged myself a seat in the process (brag)

There's a few things though that niggled me so I thought i'd offer the following constructive criticism.

1) Tables were 10-handed. This is really uncomfortable and I felt like I had no breathing room. Especially when Girgy got moved next to me They used to be 9 handed. Why the change? Even if it was just for the GP we only started with like 6 or 7 tables and loads of dealers sat around doing nothing. I played the last GP and they were 10-handed, presumably so you could get as many players in as possible, but that wasn't the case here.

2) Chip stacks! I remember the good old days where DTD left you with mountains of chips. Now you chip up at every possible oppurtunity and it saddens me

The next two are ruling related so prob of interest to dik9

3) Action was on a player and he said "pot". Obviously this is nonsense in no limit. But the dealer didn't know how to handle it. So she called the floor. Fair enough. The ruling though... the player is made to check. Eh? He clearly intended to bet. Why is he being made to check? Ruling should be "you can't bet the pot as we can't count it. please pick a number". He definitely shouldn't be made to check. Could easily be used as an angle shoot too. If I want to see a free card I can just say "pot" knowing it looks like I want to bet big but I'll be made to check.

4) Dealer deals flop before big blind has checked. The flop is pulled away but the turn and river are dealt face down. The flop is then reshuffled and dealed. I don't like this. The whole board should be reshuffled. I don't care about "preserving the integrity" of what would come. They're just random cards. But in this situation they're no longer random cards. They're cards that are specifically not one of the 3 cards we have just seen. Now all players have this information but it's going to change the dynamic of the hand and that isn't on. Also, one of the reasons we have burn cards is so if cards are marked we can't see them before they're dealt. Placing the turn/river face down on the table completely negates this fact.

Hopefully that doesn't come across as my usual moaning

Only a few things? Will wonders never cease?

[StuartHopkin]

Yeah stu likes to snuggle in close to his fellow table mates

0/1 for you guy

1/ I hate 10 handed tables, makes me want to die
2/ I like lots of chips too, apart from i bet 12,000 using all 25's people, they make me want to die
3/ Pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot
4/ Think it makes perfect sense to retain the integrity of the board, more fun than just reshuffling.

[EvilPie]

Rule 3 is madness.

Hope they don't get anyone playing with tourettes.

Apparently if you say a random word which has no meaning at all in nlhe you're forced to check.

[redsimon]

When they had dead stacks on Saturdays 7pm Day 1, they didnt deal to them or remove chips. They eventually put late entrants in as you had until 10.15pm to join or re-enter. Not sure why they would reduce a dead stack to 6000 then remove it?

[Cf]

When they had dead stacks on Saturdays 7pm Day 1, they didnt deal to them or remove chips. They eventually put late entrants in as you had until 10.15pm to join or re-enter. Not sure why they would reduce a dead stack to 6000 then remove it?

It was paid for. The person just didn't turn up.

[redsimon]

When they had dead stacks on Saturdays 7pm Day 1, they didnt deal to them or remove chips. They eventually put late entrants in as you had until 10.15pm to join or re-enter. Not sure why they would reduce a dead stack to 6000 then remove it?

It was paid for. The person just didn't turn up.

Not sure why it was removed then!

Didn't get moved to BB on another table?

[cambridgealex]

Agree with everything, both rulings wrong, Balla stacks ftw. DTD never has 10handed tables cos they know what a pain they are. I'm sure there was a very good reason for doing so.