AT in SB, Live Cash, Triple straddled pot.

[cambridgealex]

We're playing £480ish. The straddle is to £16. To my way of thinking this gives us 30 bigs but I know some people don't agree with that.

Anyway. We're 6 handed I believe. Mitch has put the £16 straddle on, Terry the £8, Nick Hicks the £4.

A young gentleman is utg which is the button. He limps for £16.

in the SB. I raise to £60. Terry in the double straddle 3bets to £155. Folds round. We?

Button is a spewy fish with some moves but they aren't very good. When he limps he never has a strong hand, most likely a hand he wants to see a flop with. I think he'll peel a raise almost 100% so raise for straight up value and isolation.

Terry is fairly maniacal. He has been known to do some really crazy shit and can show up with 72o here. How maniacal he is, however, depends greatly on his mood, and today he's been fairly quiet, got out of line once to my knowledge showing T5o raising to 58 in a 16straddle pot. Views me as tightish I think but has played with me quite a lot so knows my games fairly well. He usually sits with 1k minimum. I've seen him blow through 4.5k in a few hours just from bluffing. But as I said, he's much more sedate recently and has been winning the last couple of weeks.

I struggle with spots like this pre, when there's a few straddles on and suddenly have <30 bets. Who open folds pre? Who gets it in here as played or lets it go? I understand it's quite hard without knowing more about the villain but hopefully the info given is enough.

[stato_1]

I really hate the 60 pre from the sb. In that game it will get through roughly -4% of the time and post flop you're going to be put in tough spots (or pre flop like here). Really think raising is the worst of 3 here, folding is never going to be a huge mistake, but i think calling is kinda cool here. A couple of people in the game are pretty squeeze-happy, so if you get raised by one of those you're then in a far better spot to get it in with some fold equity (and equity when called), and if unraised it gives you a decent shot of flopping a concealed(ish) TPTK sort of hand where you have a good SPR and are likely to get some value.

As played I'd probably get it in but its probably bad.

[GreekStein]

Has mitch been cutting out chips very often?

[boldie]

As stato says, A T off in the SB is not a hand I would raise with here. Probs flat myself but can see how some would fold here (think that's a bit too tight though).

As played, and you probably should have seen his 3bet coming, I probably get it in (and silently pray he'll fold to my shove).

Think the raise pre makes it a very tricky spot though and I would say it's definitely spewy.

[George2Loose]

This is why I bottled it cos I just stick it in his eye

[SuuPRlim]

always going to be able to justify jamming in this spot.

Think i might let this go though.

[jakally]

Decision pretty much 100% based  on Terry's mood at the time.
Having said that, he has a good appreciation of stack sizes, and is probs not doing this too light given your stack.

[EvilPie]

Folding this pre would be an absolute joke and should be your queue to leave and find a new game.

We've got 30bbs 6 handed and we've got an ace with a big card next to it.

I'd be happily getting this in against Terry although as Neil says it's very dependant on his mood.

Only you know how he was playing at the time so only you or the other 4 guys at the table can really answer the question.

Btw. "Spewy fish with some moves but they aren't very good" is one of the most accurate descriptions I've ever heard

[cambridgealex]

Btw. "Spewy fish with some moves but they aren't very good" is one of the most accurate descriptions I've ever heard

Sorry Mitch, gotta tell it like it is yo

[cambridgealex]

I really hate the 60 pre from the sb. In that game it will get through roughly -4% of the time and post flop you're going to be put in tough spots (or pre flop like here).

Not sure I really agree with this. It wasn't a very loose or gambly game, I would expect to get peeled by Ajit and probably one of Mitch/Terry/Nick - it wasn't the sort of game where we 5 people were flicking in 60 pre often.

And with my stack I don't think I can be put in that many awkward spots post. With 2 callers pot will be ~190  I'll have 420 back, I don't think it'll be that tough.

I do see what you mean though and had my reservations at the time about raising pre.

[boldie]

I really hate the 60 pre from the sb. In that game it will get through roughly -4% of the time and post flop you're going to be put in tough spots (or pre flop like here).

Not sure I really agree with this. It wasn't a very loose or gambly game, I would expect to get peeled by Ajit and probably one of Mitch/Terry/Nick - it wasn't the sort of game where we 5 people were flicking in 60 pre often.

And with my stack I don't think I can be put in that many awkward spots post. With 2 callers pot will be ~190  I'll have 420 back, I don't think it'll be that tough.

I do see what you mean though and had my reservations at the time about raising pre.

Except when someone 3 bets you and you're OOP, obv. Personally I don't like playing A 10 off OOP so would never raise with it when in the SB (OK, almost never) but guess it all depends on how comfortable you are with your post flop play when OOP.

[cambridgealex]

I really hate the 60 pre from the sb. In that game it will get through roughly -4% of the time and post flop you're going to be put in tough spots (or pre flop like here).

Not sure I really agree with this. It wasn't a very loose or gambly game, I would expect to get peeled by Ajit and probably one of Mitch/Terry/Nick - it wasn't the sort of game where we 5 people were flicking in 60 pre often.

And with my stack I don't think I can be put in that many awkward spots post. With 2 callers pot will be ~190  I'll have 420 back, I don't think it'll be that tough.

I do see what you mean though and had my reservations at the time about raising pre.

Except when someone 3 bets you and you're OOP, obv. Personally I don't like playing A 10 off OOP so would never raise with it when in the SB (OK, almost never) but guess it all depends on how comfortable you are with your post flop play when OOP.

With one limper I'm always raising AT in the sb. Esp when I could get peeled by worse from a few spots round the table.

[boldie]

I really hate the 60 pre from the sb. In that game it will get through roughly -4% of the time and post flop you're going to be put in tough spots (or pre flop like here).

Not sure I really agree with this. It wasn't a very loose or gambly game, I would expect to get peeled by Ajit and probably one of Mitch/Terry/Nick - it wasn't the sort of game where we 5 people were flicking in 60 pre often.

And with my stack I don't think I can be put in that many awkward spots post. With 2 callers pot will be ~190  I'll have 420 back, I don't think it'll be that tough.

I do see what you mean though and had my reservations at the time about raising pre.

Except when someone 3 bets you and you're OOP, obv. Personally I don't like playing A 10 off OOP so would never raise with it when in the SB (OK, almost never) but guess it all depends on how comfortable you are with your post flop play when OOP.

With one limper I'm always raising AT in the sb. Esp when I could get peeled by worse from a few spots round the table.

Ussually I'd be OK with that but you still have 3 people to act behind you which would make me more cautious.

[Boba Fett]

I think limping is pretty bad, hand isnt strong enough to limp/raise and folding is too nitty.  100% raise/decide imo

[SuuPRlim]

Folding this pre would be an absolute joke and should be your queue to leave and find a new game.

We've got 30bbs 6 handed and we've got an ace with a big card next to it.

not sure i'm in love with this thought process, this would be a pretty spewy get in in a tournament for example. he isn't 3betting worse for value so it boils down to his bluffing frequency here. what hands he bluffs with IDK, he might pick suited "blocker" hands like  ,  to be light with, or he might just pick the best hands he doesn;t think he can call with,  ,  etc either way we're going to need a decent amount of folds to show some profit here I imagine.