River spot with two purrs

[cambridgealex]

4 limpers including Sunny Mistri who's limped the button. I complete from the SB with big blind checks. I'm playing 900, Sunny covers.

Flop (12) I bet £10, one caller, Sunny calls

Turn (42) I bet £25, fold, Sunny thinks and slides in a stack of reds (100) I tank and call.

River (242) I check, Sunny bets 210. I?

Are we calling or folding here? Shoving seems fairly sexy also. I don't think he'd have a flush here very often at all unless it's KTcc or T8cc.

Think his value range doesn't include any sets/two pairs.

He can show up with a bluff here though.

That's all.

[Pinchop73]

Interesting spot.

Really strange river sizing huh.

I think calling is out of the question.

The question is, have we the balls to shove? He's surely tank folding 8T+QJ, but why bet pot when a bingo card lands otr?

He's certainly got us beat, as pretty much the only two hands I believe he semi bluffs on the turn are KTcc or AKcc, but he's literally NEVER limping this otb imo. I don't recon Sunny bluffs in big spots like this, but I'm guessing you've racked up more hours with him this deep than I ever have.

Has he played you long enough to know that you reship over the top with a flush draw and he therefore knows he's safe to value bet?

Big sigh fold for me.

[stato_1]

level?

[SuuPRlim]

yh if he doesn't have a flush very often c/j ftw but people never fold so it's pretty dam spewy even though it's sicccck.

if he never has flushes/never value bets two pair + is capable of bluffing here then i guess we should call, but if this particular day you think he's been snuggling around and not likely to make a random bluff then i guess fold.

[pleno1]

sizing is weird, but i love it if he has a set/straight.

i be called a nit here, but i'd prob fold turn.

[cambridgealex]

level?

No, what makes you say that?

[SuuPRlim]

i be called a nit here, but i'd prob fold turn.

pretty decent imo. hard to do in the heat of battle.

[TheFallen]

why did you bet £25 on the turn. seems to me like that has caused a lot of problems

[pleno1]

is jhe capable of turning q10/qk into a bluff here?

[cambridgealex]

is jhe capable of turning q10/qk into a bluff here?

in theory but don't seem him ever raising the turn with those hands.

why did you bet £25 on the turn. seems to me like that has caused a lot of problems

cos i has a strong two pair. surely a clear spot for a value bet?

[Whollyflush]

fold preflop and probably fold the turn. If hes competent he can value bet stronger 2 pairs/all sets/straights as well as showing up with a few flushes (i'd guess KTcc is the most likely hand). Theres an old addage of not going broke in a limped pot, completing in the SB you at least want something suited. I'd rather blast out a big raise as opposed to completing.

[Mitch]

He prob has 810cc or K10cc, generally plays tight in cash games from what I've seen, especially when sat deep and winning.

Also don't ever fold Q9 pre for £1 in these games.

[cambridgealex]

Also don't ever fold Q9 pre for £1 in these games.

ldo

you'd flick it in with 74o though so i've seen lately.

[GreekStein]

Also don't ever fold Q9 pre for £1 in these games.

This!!

[muckthenuts]

Folding pre would be insane. Turn seems really read dependent.