Open to criticism

[david3103]

.50/1 cash at local casino
Villain is good - has some good tournament wins and we need to be wary of him. He's not only capable of making some good plays, he's also very capable of extracting value and (and sometimes I think this is more impoirtant) he's capable of making very good laydowns.

Effective stack £115 (me)

I've straddled to £2, it's raised from lateish to £10, Villain calls and I close the action calling with     (please don't spend too much time telling me I should fold pre - I probably do fold at least 7 times out of 10 here, but I had been very card dead and this was one of the best looking hands I'd had in over an hour)

Flop is 

I check, original raiser bets £16, Villain makes it £50

Read - made hand or maybe Nut Flush Draw. Most likely is a set of or
Original raiser shows every sign of folding. 100% positive this will happen.

I have £105 ...

Shove > Fold
or
Fold > Shove  ?

[cambridgealex]

Never folding pre, defo folding now.

[millidonk]

Don't read too much into Villain's ability, this board with someone to close the action he isn't gonna be at it too much. He is never folding to a jam from you either, so unless you run like Usain Bolt you have to Fold imo.

Also if your read is correct of nfd or most likely a set it makes it an even easier fold.

[StuartHopkin]

Never folding pre, defo folding now.

I would like to plus one this statement from a pro.

[gatso]

(please don't spend too much time telling me I should fold pre - I probably do fold at least 7 times out of 10 here

why?

[david3103]

(please don't spend too much time telling me I should fold pre - I probably do fold at least 7 times out of 10 here

why?

because I'm an old nit

[gatso]

old nits don't straddle

[david3103]

old nits don't straddle

Maybe I call more often than I said then ... although probably not when I'm oop to this villain

[SuuPRlim]

you should NEVER, EVER fold preflop ever.

Im mystified as to why you think you should ever fold

[cambridgealex]

you should NEVER, EVER fold preflop ever.

Im mystified as to why you think you should ever fold

I dnt believe he ever would, it just all the other HHs he posts, we all tell him to fold pre!

[david3103]

you should NEVER, EVER fold preflop ever.

Im mystified as to why you think you should ever fold

NEVER EVER? or just NEVER EVER with these two specific cards in this specific position?

Would you call here with any suited connectors?

Why would I fold in this spot? Because I'm oop and there seems to me to be a fair chance that I'll flop some sort of draw, which has potential to be a draw to the second best hand.

And because I still fail to grasp many of the principles involved.
Until I am forced to think about them. I just tried assigning a range to the raiser of any two broadway cards and a range for the caller of any K10+ but not AQ AK (he raises these) and any pair up to 10 10 (he raises JJ+) and it seems I'm 37% to win the hand?

Ranges sound right? Or am I just too old and too dim to get this and best advised sticking to blind luck?

[david3103]

you should NEVER, EVER fold preflop ever.

Im mystified as to why you think you should ever fold

I dnt believe he ever would, it just all the other HHs he posts, we all tell him to fold pre!

 

[SuuPRlim]

NEVER EVER? or just NEVER EVER with these two specific cards in this specific position?

these cards in this spot.
NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER (insert several more evers) fold lol

Why would I fold in this spot? Because I'm oop and there seems to me to be a fair chance that I'll flop some sort of draw, which has potential to be a draw to the second best hand.

And because I still fail to grasp many of the principles involved.
Until I am forced to think about them. I just tried assigning a range to the raiser of any two broadway cards and a range for the caller of any K10+ but not AQ AK (he raises these) and any pair up to 10 10 (he raises JJ+) and it seems I'm 37% to win the hand?

Ranges sound right? Or am I just too old and too dim to get this and best advised sticking to blind luck?

I didn't read what ranges you gave him because it doesn't matter lol its £8 into a pot of £23.50 and you can't possibly give him a range where that's not a call.

  is different, because there is reversed implied odds issues for sure, but JT has strong enough "high card" value that this isn't much of a worry (i'd still call 56s but wouldn't have used all those evers)

you're for surrrre over thinking this preflop, my thought process here would be

"i have JTs which is a really sick hand" get involved!

Sorry if I came across rude/arrogant btw, nothing about being old and dim at all...

not saying you're NOT old and dim, just saying I didn't mean to imply that in print haha

[kinboshi]

NEVER EVER? or just NEVER EVER with these two specific cards in this specific position?

these cards in this spot.
NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER (insert several more evers) fold lol

But would you ever fold those cards in this spot?  Please get off the fence.

[SuuPRlim]

NEVER EVER? or just NEVER EVER with these two specific cards in this specific position?

these cards in this spot.
NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER (insert several more evers) fold lol

But would you ever fold those cards in this spot?  Please get off the fence.

if someone said to me

"David, Shakira and tulisa (ndubz) are lying naked in your bed and touching each other saying 'where's dave, we need him now' but you need to fold this hand and run home RIGHT NOW"

then I would fold, but I'd be a little tilted that the incred shakira/tulisa thing didn't happen when i had a budget hand.

and man would I run home, would run and run and run and run.

under no other circumstances would I fold