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« on: September 30, 2011, 01:52:12 PM »

Local donkament, £15 with 2 rebuys or 1 rebuy 1 add-on. 32 players start, 22 left at add-on break, with average at 14,500. We start with 5k chips, we are now on 15k, without using a rebuy. There is £850ish in the pot, expected to rise to £1100 with other peoples add-ons and. We consider we have have an edge on the field. Blinds about to rise to 300/600 and the levels are 20 mins, do we:
a) invest another £30 for a further 10k?
b) invest another £15 for a further 5k?
c) take our shot without adding to our initial buy-in?

If your answer is A), how many chips would you need to be happy not to add-on?
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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2011, 02:11:14 PM »

if i had a million chips id still add on fully, its the type of person i am, cant stand to see other people getting extra chips and me not. A flaw i guess
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2011, 02:20:01 PM »

Always A unless I had 100k more than the guy in 2nd place
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2011, 02:26:27 PM »

get a and use them as your spew chips ldo.
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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2011, 02:28:06 PM »

Im with Trigg, I always buy the max.  In your case its an easy £30, right now you're only going back to 25bbs and with that stack anything can happen despite your edge.  If you dont win a hand in the 1st 20 mins you'll have <20BBs.  You're above average now but the average will rise when everyone adds on, spend £30 and be ahead of the field.
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2011, 02:31:24 PM »

Agree'd with everyone else. 100% take the max all the time
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2011, 02:36:59 PM »

I reckon EV wise, it's the best play to not take anymore chips, but I would almost certainly take the max cos it's most fun and gives you more chance to become the winnnnnaaarrrr
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2011, 03:04:00 PM »

Agree'd with everyone else. 100% take the max all the time
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2011, 03:13:06 PM »

Agree'd with everyone else. 100% take the max all the time
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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2011, 03:20:16 PM »

get a and use them as your spew chips ldo.
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2011, 03:39:00 PM »

I reckon EV wise, it's the best play to not take anymore chips, but I would almost certainly take the max cos it's most fun and gives you more chance to become the winnnnnaaarrrr

Would love to see the numbers game on this one.
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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2011, 03:59:10 PM »

You have average chips at the moment and will be well below average if you don't take a rebuy-add on...not even a close call IMO.
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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2011, 04:00:16 PM »

I reckon EV wise, it's the best play to not take anymore chips, but I would almost certainly take the max cos it's most fun and gives you more chance to become the winnnnnaaarrrr

Would love to see the numbers game on this one.

I think it is simple ICM.  Under ICM the lower stacks get more equity than under a straight chip count model.  So it must follow that you get less equity the bigger your original stack is.

But that has to be balanced against your edge and how well you play a big stack

I always buy the max.  

think about it I  In rebuys if you get 2000 chips a rebuy and have 4000 after the double rebuy, I get pretty grouchy when I am sat on 3000 and the rebuy period is coming to an end.  I'll often play pretty loose to try and make sure I have min 4000 at the end of the rebuy.

Given what I said about ICM that is probably ultra spewy and I really should stop it!    
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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2011, 04:55:32 PM »

I reckon EV wise, it's the best play to not take anymore chips

don't see how this can possibly be true.

I thin the big thing to consider is not that you wont have anymore chips but the fact that everyone else will is important - if you mean your equity in the comp doesn't increase by £30 fior the extra chips then I dont  think thats right
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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2011, 03:01:46 AM »

nobody ever contemplates EV here, they just see eveeryone else adding on and do likewise, monkey see monkey do, if you consider EV here then you should realise that you should be home playing an array of $5 freeze outs with $5k up top without any knob sacks stalling for 3 mins a decision and telling you about their daughters 23rd the week before
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