Sky Poker's UKOPS £150,000 gtd Online festival

[tikay]

It's the way things are going with poker - how many live rebuys now have a % of the prize pool raked instead of a fee? Re-entries in live tourneys are effectively raked rebuys and a lot of the players on sky won't know that there was a time when rebuys and addons were juice free.

Several major Casino chains in the UK now actually remove cash from the Prizepool. Nobody complains, it seems.

[George2Loose]

It's the way things are going with poker - how many live rebuys now have a % of the prize pool raked instead of a fee? Re-entries in live tourneys are effectively raked rebuys and a lot of the players on sky won't know that there was a time when rebuys and addons were juice free.

Raking the prize pool is still not the standard as far as I'm aware. The standard both live and online is to pay the rake once only. In fact I remember Tikay objecting quite strongly when Grosvenor Walsall did it for one their comps.

Re-entries are not rebuys. Simple. You get reseated and are, for all intents and purposes, a new player hence why you pay the rake twice. You also play with a full and not a shallow stack. I loved the 50 re-enrties dtd did. Prepared to pay the extra 6 quid for a 10k stack rather than 50 quid for a 2k stack

[tikay]

Not skipping it due to the rake of rebuys but I do think it's very wrong. I've never heard of such a thing live or online.

No, it's very much a non-standard thing in the industry, but then again, Sky Poker do a lot of things that are not industry standard. Some good, some bad.

I have made my case, & moved on, I don't run the place, & it's not the sort of thing I'm gonna get too upset about, as long as it is not done covertly, or "on the quiet". I strongly beleve in the free market.

It has been the case there since Rebuys were first introduced, & an analysis of the numbers who play the Rebuys there shows it has accepted by the vast majority of the player base.

Tikay please believe me when I say I'm not trying to stir up a shitstorm. However seeing as Sky Poker is aimed at the new player probably moreso than any site, they're not really going to be aware that raking rebuys is not the standard are they? Again correct me if I'm wrong and it states this somewhere clearly.

Knew I should never have mentioned it, fml......by the by, I have not suggested once you are trying to create a "shitstorm". I'm simply answering your "frankly shocked" questions, &, I hope, with good manners & patience. If it were done covertly, yes, but it's not. Sliced bread is a penny cheaper at Tesco compared to Sainsburys, so the Customers have to make a choice. Choice, & freedom of it, is a wonderful thing.

You are quite correct, lots of new, or "recreational" players, would not, or may not, be aware that it is not done elsewhere.

It IS clearly stated that Sky Poker charge a reg fee on rebuys, as it should be.

It is NOT clearly stated that other Sites do not charge rake on rebuys, & I see no reason why it should.

I doubt that EasyJet have to print a disclaimer in tickets saying that although they charge extra for hold baggage, most airlines, BA included, do not.

[George2Loose]

Not skipping it due to the rake of rebuys but I do think it's very wrong. I've never heard of such a thing live or online.

No, it's very much a non-standard thing in the industry, but then again, Sky Poker do a lot of things that are not industry standard. Some good, some bad.

I have made my case, & moved on, I don't run the place, & it's not the sort of thing I'm gonna get too upset about, as long as it is not done covertly, or "on the quiet". I strongly beleve in the free market.

It has been the case there since Rebuys were first introduced, & an analysis of the numbers who play the Rebuys there shows it has accepted by the vast majority of the player base.

Tikay please believe me when I say I'm not trying to stir up a shitstorm. However seeing as Sky Poker is aimed at the new player probably moreso than any site, they're not really going to be aware that raking rebuys is not the standard are they? Again correct me if I'm wrong and it states this somewhere clearly.

Knew I should never have mentioned it, fml......by the by, I have not suggested once you are trying to create a "shitstorm". I'm simply answering your "frankly shocked" questions, &, I hope, with good manners & patience. If it were done covertly, yes, but it's not. Sliced bread is a penny cheaper at Tesco compared to Sainsburys, so the Customers have to make a choice. Choice, & freedom of it, is a wonderful thing.

You are quite correct, lots of new, or "recreational" players, would not, or may not, be aware that it is not done elsewhere.

It IS clearly stated that Sky Poker charge a reg fee on rebuys, as it should be.

It is NOT clearly stated that other Sites do not charge rake on rebuys, & I see no reason why it should.

I doubt that EasyJet have to print a disclaimer in tickets saying that although they charge extra for hold baggage, most airlines, BA included, do not.

Not suggesting they should. Just trying to understand why this decision was made by the bigwigs at Sky. Guess I'll never understand so will leave it there. GL in the omaha tonight! (I assume you'll be donating?)

[tikay]

It's the way things are going with poker - how many live rebuys now have a % of the prize pool raked instead of a fee? Re-entries in live tourneys are effectively raked rebuys and a lot of the players on sky won't know that there was a time when rebuys and addons were juice free.

Raking the prize pool is still not the standard as far as I'm aware. The standard both live and online is to pay the rake once only. In fact I remember Tikay objecting quite strongly when Grosvenor Walsall did it for one their comps.

Re-entries are not rebuys. Simple. You get reseated and are, for all intents and purposes, a new player hence why you pay the rake twice. You also play with a full and not a shallow stack. I loved the 50 re-enrties dtd did. Prepared to pay the extra 6 quid for a 10k stack rather than 50 quid for a 2k stack

I repeat, once more. Taking money out of a prizepool, & raking rebuys, are completely different things.

And yes, I did make a noise about both Grosvenor Walsall & The Vic taking money out of Prize Pools. And I did make a noise about the EPT London - which I believe you played - taking money out of the prizepool.

That is quite different to raking rebuys, imo.

Your point is noted, G2L, I'm sorry you don't agree, I'm not a fan of it either, but it is what it is.

[George2Loose]

It's the way things are going with poker - how many live rebuys now have a % of the prize pool raked instead of a fee? Re-entries in live tourneys are effectively raked rebuys and a lot of the players on sky won't know that there was a time when rebuys and addons were juice free.

Raking the prize pool is still not the standard as far as I'm aware. The standard both live and online is to pay the rake once only. In fact I remember Tikay objecting quite strongly when Grosvenor Walsall did it for one their comps.

Re-entries are not rebuys. Simple. You get reseated and are, for all intents and purposes, a new player hence why you pay the rake twice. You also play with a full and not a shallow stack. I loved the 50 re-enrties dtd did. Prepared to pay the extra 6 quid for a 10k stack rather than 50 quid for a 2k stack

I repeat, once more. Taking money out of a prizepool, & raking rebuys, are completely different things.

And yes, I did make a noise about both Grosvenor Walsall & The Vic taking money out of Prize Pools. And I did make a noise about the EPT London - which I believe you played - taking money out of the prizepool.

That is quite different to raking rebuys, imo.

Your point is noted, G2L, I'm sorry you don't agree, I'm not a fan of it either, but it is what it is.

It's still probably excellent value for those who can play well with 4 cards instead of 2 even with the rebuys raked.

[tikay]

It's the way things are going with poker - how many live rebuys now have a % of the prize pool raked instead of a fee? Re-entries in live tourneys are effectively raked rebuys and a lot of the players on sky won't know that there was a time when rebuys and addons were juice free.

Raking the prize pool is still not the standard as far as I'm aware. The standard both live and online is to pay the rake once only. In fact I remember Tikay objecting quite strongly when Grosvenor Walsall did it for one their comps.

Re-entries are not rebuys. Simple. You get reseated and are, for all intents and purposes, a new player hence why you pay the rake twice. You also play with a full and not a shallow stack. I loved the 50 re-enrties dtd did. Prepared to pay the extra 6 quid for a 10k stack rather than 50 quid for a 2k stack

I repeat, once more. Taking money out of a prizepool, & raking rebuys, are completely different things.

And yes, I did make a noise about both Grosvenor Walsall & The Vic taking money out of Prize Pools. And I did make a noise about the EPT London - which I believe you played - taking money out of the prizepool.

That is quite different to raking rebuys, imo.

Your point is noted, G2L, I'm sorry you don't agree, I'm not a fan of it either, but it is what it is.

It's still probably excellent value for those who can play well with 4 cards instead of 2 even with the rebuys raked.

Knew you'd get there eventually......

[George2Loose]

It's the way things are going with poker - how many live rebuys now have a % of the prize pool raked instead of a fee? Re-entries in live tourneys are effectively raked rebuys and a lot of the players on sky won't know that there was a time when rebuys and addons were juice free.

Raking the prize pool is still not the standard as far as I'm aware. The standard both live and online is to pay the rake once only. In fact I remember Tikay objecting quite strongly when Grosvenor Walsall did it for one their comps.

Re-entries are not rebuys. Simple. You get reseated and are, for all intents and purposes, a new player hence why you pay the rake twice. You also play with a full and not a shallow stack. I loved the 50 re-enrties dtd did. Prepared to pay the extra 6 quid for a 10k stack rather than 50 quid for a 2k stack

I repeat, once more. Taking money out of a prizepool, & raking rebuys, are completely different things.

And yes, I did make a noise about both Grosvenor Walsall & The Vic taking money out of Prize Pools. And I did make a noise about the EPT London - which I believe you played - taking money out of the prizepool.

That is quite different to raking rebuys, imo.

Your point is noted, G2L, I'm sorry you don't agree, I'm not a fan of it either, but it is what it is.

It's still probably excellent value for those who can play well with 4 cards instead of 2 even with the rebuys raked.

Knew you'd get there eventually......

lol. Still not playing (working till 10)

[tikay]

Not skipping it due to the rake of rebuys but I do think it's very wrong. I've never heard of such a thing live or online.

No, it's very much a non-standard thing in the industry, but then again, Sky Poker do a lot of things that are not industry standard. Some good, some bad.

I have made my case, & moved on, I don't run the place, & it's not the sort of thing I'm gonna get too upset about, as long as it is not done covertly, or "on the quiet". I strongly beleve in the free market.

It has been the case there since Rebuys were first introduced, & an analysis of the numbers who play the Rebuys there shows it has accepted by the vast majority of the player base.

Tikay please believe me when I say I'm not trying to stir up a shitstorm. However seeing as Sky Poker is aimed at the new player probably moreso than any site, they're not really going to be aware that raking rebuys is not the standard are they? Again correct me if I'm wrong and it states this somewhere clearly.

Knew I should never have mentioned it, fml......by the by, I have not suggested once you are trying to create a "shitstorm". I'm simply answering your "frankly shocked" questions, &, I hope, with good manners & patience. If it were done covertly, yes, but it's not. Sliced bread is a penny cheaper at Tesco compared to Sainsburys, so the Customers have to make a choice. Choice, & freedom of it, is a wonderful thing.

You are quite correct, lots of new, or "recreational" players, would not, or may not, be aware that it is not done elsewhere.

It IS clearly stated that Sky Poker charge a reg fee on rebuys, as it should be.

It is NOT clearly stated that other Sites do not charge rake on rebuys, & I see no reason why it should.

I doubt that EasyJet have to print a disclaimer in tickets saying that although they charge extra for hold baggage, most airlines, BA included, do not.

Not suggesting they should. Just trying to understand why this decision was made by the bigwigs at Sky. Guess I'll never understand so will leave it there. GL in the omaha tonight! (I assume you'll be donating?)

Well you said....

".....However seeing as Sky Poker is aimed at the new player probably moreso than any site, they're not really going to be aware that raking rebuys is not the standard are they? Again correct me if I'm wrong and it states this somewhere clearly....."


Tourneys (MTT's) constitute around 25% of revenues on most Online Poker Sites, & rebuys around 5% of THAT figure, so it's not that important in the grand scheme of things. The numbers have been analysed in depth, & the "take-up" on raked rebuy Tourneys conforms precisely with expectation, including in the weekly Rebuy Main Event.

[Doobs]

thanks

26th for about £300 was it? Nice result, & a good start to UKOPS.

Yep, thanks, hoping to brag better by the end of the week!

[Doobs]

It's the way things are going with poker - how many live rebuys now have a % of the prize pool raked instead of a fee? Re-entries in live tourneys are effectively raked rebuys and a lot of the players on sky won't know that there was a time when rebuys and addons were juice free.

Raking the prize pool is still not the standard as far as I'm aware. The standard both live and online is to pay the rake once only. In fact I remember Tikay objecting quite strongly when Grosvenor Walsall did it for one their comps.

Re-entries are not rebuys. Simple. You get reseated and are, for all intents and purposes, a new player hence why you pay the rake twice. You also play with a full and not a shallow stack. I loved the 50 re-enrties dtd did. Prepared to pay the extra 6 quid for a 10k stack rather than 50 quid for a 2k stack

I repeat, once more. Taking money out of a prizepool, & raking rebuys, are completely different things.

And yes, I did make a noise about both Grosvenor Walsall & The Vic taking money out of Prize Pools. And I did make a noise about the EPT London - which I believe you played - taking money out of the prizepool.

That is quite different to raking rebuys, imo.

Your point is noted, G2L, I'm sorry you don't agree, I'm not a fan of it either, but it is what it is.

It's still probably excellent value for those who can play well with 4 cards instead of 2 even with the rebuys raked.

Knew you'd get there eventually......

This ^.  Glad I was told, but am playing anyway.

and the EPT London happily advertised a £970+£130 comp as a £1000+£100 one, and as Luke Schwartz will testify, you still had to pay for sarnies.

[paulhouk03]

can we late reg?

edit found out thanks i decided not to be so lazy

[outragous76]

George

As you play on party are you aware that they rake the prize pool for rebuys (just to add balance).

But I agree it's not right (as does every other player Ldo)

[paulhouk03]

What was first prize for Monday might give today's a whirl

[tikay]

What was first prize for Monday might give today's a whirl

Monday's Bounty Hunter winner, "supersnedd", took home £5,600. I think he satted in for £12.

Last night's Omaha winner "10bite14" satted in for £6, & cashed last night for £3,380.