THEORY: BVB battles

[mondatoo]

Not many regs on Stars do this very often at all.

[skolsuper]

doesnt matter so much if its bvb or c/o vs btn imo, but ive seen it alot more at bvb than c/o vs btn, I've done it q a bit at bvb but never at c/o vs btn afair.

Of course it matters. Variables like opening range, f3bet, 4bet range all matter. Regardless, if your horse is doing this, tell them to get a grip. 3b/4b stuff is simple maths.

[JK]

doesnt matter so much if its bvb or c/o vs btn imo, but ive seen it alot more at bvb than c/o vs btn, I've done it q a bit at bvb but never at c/o vs btn afair.

Of course it matters. Variables like opening range, f3bet, 4bet range all matter. Regardless, if your horse is doing this, tell them to get a grip. 3b/4b stuff is simple maths.

His horse isn't doing this, his horse is asking if we should tighten our 3b range vs a player doing this or loosen our 3b/call range

[pleno1]

 Regardless, if your horse is doing this, tell them to get a grip. 3b/4b stuff is simple maths.

He jams

We call with? And why?

its quite a regular thing and something a guy i stake asked me about today.

You're still in my top 3 PHA posters Skolsuper.

Not many regs on Stars do this very often at all.

i spoke to a 600nl reg who said people were starting to call with 109s.

600nl yo. Love you too x


Sorry for spreading hating, it's something I've seen semi regularly and have done myself in certain situ's. Will ask Alex to post here too as I don't wnat to quote him on his reasons for why it was fine.

[SuuPRlim]

I'm not sure I really understand the preflop dynamics in 6max NLHE that well.

What I've seen from my 6max NL experience is 1) people 3bet the wrong hands constantly, and 2) people make way more bad calls than bad folds and 3) people 3bet from the SB or BB way too frequently.

Do you think this is accurate?

[mondatoo]

I've seen it quite often at 100-200nl too

[pleno1]

I've seen it quite often at 100-200nl too

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[pleno1]

I'm not sure I really understand the preflop dynamics in 6max NLHE that well.

What I've seen from my 6max NL experience is 1) people 3bet the wrong hands constantly, and 2) people make way more bad calls than bad folds and 3) people 3bet from the SB or BB way too frequently.

Do you think this is accurate?

correcto, another mistake is that they will ALWAYS peel 66-1010 in position no matter the circumstance (100bbs deep)

so we're in sb, open to 3x, bb 9x, we haz does pocket deuuuuuces and obviously because he 3bets wayyyyy too much he will probably 5b too much too. Whatcha doing son?

[mondatoo]

It's something I consider and sometimes do when it's multiway then an aggro reg squeezes so I 4b jam, obv that's very different though. Keys pretty much summed it up regards the theory.

No idea why you said it doesn't matter what position it is.

[pleno1]

i just mean with a dynamic.

We open a pair from any position, he 3bets in position.

It's back to us with out pair.

THIS REG IS 3BETTING ME TOO MUCH, FUCK HIM, FUCK HIS MOTHER!

[skolsuper]

The adjustments vs this are even simpler maths.

1. What is his range?
2. What are our pot odds?
3.
4. Profit

If you're asking what his range is then that question really could have been in the OP, rather than the Pleno classic "POKER. Shoot."


I can't see a situation where someone would be doing this often enough to discourage you from 3betting IP (unless they stop opening). Again though, the adjustments should be obvious.

[skolsuper]

I'm not sure I really understand the preflop dynamics in 6max NLHE that well.

What I've seen from my 6max NL experience is 1) people 3bet the wrong hands constantly, and 2) people make way more bad calls than bad folds and 3) people 3bet from the SB or BB way too frequently.

Do you think this is accurate?

correcto, another mistake is that they will ALWAYS peel 66-1010 in position no matter the circumstance (100bbs deep)

so we're in sb, open to 3x, bb 9x, we haz does pocket deuuuuuces and obviously because he 3bets wayyyyy too much he will probably 5b too much too. Whatcha doing son?

I don't always open 22 bvb. Hope that hasn't blown your mind too much

[pleno1]

ok sorry.

I think his range is 22-77 and some small aces and suited aces.  I have 910s and plays well vs this range. Should we call?

Also first,

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4 profit

on blonde.

ilike.

[Whollyflush]

i spoke to a 600nl reg who said people were starting to call with 109s.

We discussed it and we came to conclusion his range would be 22-77 alot and some Ax hands

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[pleno1]

I'm not sure I really understand the preflop dynamics in 6max NLHE that well.

What I've seen from my 6max NL experience is 1) people 3bet the wrong hands constantly, and 2) people make way more bad calls than bad folds and 3) people 3bet from the SB or BB way too frequently.

Do you think this is accurate?

correcto, another mistake is that they will ALWAYS peel 66-1010 in position no matter the circumstance (100bbs deep)

so we're in sb, open to 3x, bb 9x, we haz does pocket deuuuuuces and obviously because he 3bets wayyyyy too much he will probably 5b too much too. Whatcha doing son?

I don't always open 22 bvb

OMG YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS!!!!