Hero fold?

[cambridgealex]

1/2 live cash, an unknown fishy player limps utg, I iso on the button to £10, bb and utg peel.

  checks to me, I cbet £16, both call quickly

checks to me, I check behind

bb checks, utg quickly bets £100 into £78.

This bet is pretty polarising and IMO never a bluff. It looks either like a 6 trying to get paid by an ace, or a flush trying to get paid by a 6/ace. It didn't look like a bare ace. 43ss is the only flush that beats me

Apart from 66 what 6x combos overcall flop? Even 66 may a) raise pre and b) not snap call flop.

Who agrees with these assumptions/conclusions? Fold/call?

[SuuPRlim]

honestly i think this would be a fine spot for a hero fold.

what I would have done is tank for ~2mins, realise he prolly has a better hand, flick the call in get shown a flush and then berate myself for the next 35mins for not folding.

seriously though you need to have SOME reads on his tendancies, otherwise it might be a bad fold under the "assume awful till proven otherwise" theory.

[Leedszilla]

honestly i think this would be a fine spot for a hero fold.

what I would have done is tank for ~2mins, realise he prolly has a better hand, flick the call in get shown a flush and then berate myself for the next 35mins for not folding.

seriously though you need to have SOME reads on his tendancies, otherwise it might be a bad fold under the "assume awful till proven otherwise" theory.

Big fan of that theory.

Partly depends on how loose he is, plenty of casino fish show up here with  or  , and there are quite a few aggro fish who will bluff in this spot (think early 30s, dressed like mid 20s, (fake) gucci sunglasses, diamond ring, gaudy watch etc) though for every one of these there are at least 10 who just aren't capable of it. Everyone does look super weak in this pot, so there's an argument for saying it's a bluff at least 5% of the time. All in all I'm probably calling, have to win 36% to show a profit, figure we're probably just on the right side of that.

Thoughts on continuing on the turn? For say £46?

[DMorgan]

honestly i think this would be a fine spot for a hero fold.

what I would have done is tank for ~2mins, realise he prolly has a better hand, flick the call in get shown a flush and then berate myself for the next 35mins for not folding.

seriously though you need to have SOME reads on his tendancies, otherwise it might be a bad fold under the "assume awful till proven otherwise" theory.

+1

[Eso Kral]

honestly i think this would be a fine spot for a hero fold.

what I would have done is tank for ~2mins, realise he prolly has a better hand, flick the call in get shown a flush and then berate myself for the next 35mins for not folding.

seriously though you need to have SOME reads on his tendancies, otherwise it might be a bad fold under the "assume awful till proven otherwise" theory.

Big fan of that theory.

Partly depends on how loose he is, plenty of casino fish show up here with   or   , and there are quite a few aggro fish who will bluff in this spot (think early 30s40's, dressed like mid 20s, (fake) gucci sunglasses, diamond ring, gaudy watch etc) though for every one of these there are at least 10 who just aren't capable of it. Everyone does look super weak in this pot, so there's an argument for saying it's a bluff at least 5% of the time. All in all I'm probably calling, have to win 36% to show a profit, figure we're probably just on the right side of that.

Thoughts on continuing on the turn? For say £46?

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<3 Herbie

[smashedagain]

lol....std fold to me and dont even come into the hero class. mind you i hero tank call with 2nd nuts often.

[SuuPRlim]

if we bet the turn we have to be prepared to fire a mighty old river bullet, its a fine play in theory because you range is a lot stronger than everyone elses in this hand

expect JT to look you up though lol <3 live poker

[pleno1]

we have 5 of one suit right? you didnt raise  ? call quickly.























then berate yourself

[Whollyflush]

meh hes fishy, he probably gets to the river with to many hands and we have a flush. Give him a spin.

[stato_1]

Think this is a call because of the whole 2345 thing, as you have raised pre, checked back flop, random live fish puts you on ace and king. He will have figured out that Ace and King has a made a river run, and its hard to fold a run, so I think he thinks he's trying to outsmart you by betting large with his lovely 6-run here often enough to make this a call.

Also if hes a fish then he can easily get here with J6s, 56, 46, 66

[cambridgealex]

I folded he showed  then claimed a6o

[david3103]

I folded he showed  then claimed a6o

You can get people to call £16 on that flop with A6o? That would be nice if he's speaking the truth..

[mulhuzz]

43ss is the only flush that beats me

que?

he gets to showdown with over 9000 combos and remember that however weirdly unknown has played the hand, there's a % chance he has Aces.

just call it off.

[Kilgore_Trout]

He bets quickly and a large amount - more than the pot.

Thats enough for me to think he could well be bluffing so I'd call. Especially now I know he has A6o.

Usually value bets would be smaller and more carefully considered.

[smashedagain]

100% good fold