Too Thin for value or check with showdown?

[muckthenuts]

Jamming pre is fine if your image isn't like completely terrible, people have insane tight calling ranges live. Lolwutwasthat makes good points for checking though. River bet is standard.

[cambridgealex]

call what matty?

Sorry my bad.

Just check then.

Checking behind because we'll fold if he raises is just a TERRIBLE reason for not betting.

[EvilPie]

call what matty?

Sorry my bad.

Just check then.

Checking behind because we'll fold if he raises is just a TERRIBLE reason for not betting.

I've got lot's of terrible reasons for doing things. They're what have got me where I am today.

I can't think of enough worse hands he'll call with to offset the better hands he calls with + the better hands he jams with + the occasional worse hand he shoves with.

Unless there's some real history of thin value bets and sick hero calls I much prefer the check.

With history I prefer betting to call a shove than betting to fold but not against the described oppo.

Villain is described as 'tightish' and 'laddering away'.

The reason I asked Rich what he'd do is to gauge the opponent. He obviously thinks he's beat if oppo shoves which gives a bit more info on the 'tightness'. Rich can't see any bluffs in his range so I assume there aren't too many hero calls in there either.

I can't see enough sick hero calls in this guy's locker to lump anything else in to this pot.

There's possibly a couple of 6x suited hands but that's it.

[pleno1]

the guy c/shoves almost never and if he does its always with the best hand. we should have the best hand mostttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt of the time therefore think betting is best.

[Eso Kral]

call what matty?

Sorry my bad.

Just check then.

Checking behind because we'll fold if he raises is just a TERRIBLE reason for not betting.

I've got lot's of terrible reasons for doing things. They're what have got me where I am today.

I can't think of enough worse hands he'll call with to offset the better hands he calls with + the better hands he jams with + the occasional worse hand he shoves with.

Unless there's some real history of thin value bets and sick hero calls I much prefer the check.

With history I prefer betting to call a shove than betting to fold but not against the described oppo.

Villain is described as 'tightish' and 'laddering away'.

The reason I asked Rich what he'd do is to gauge the opponent. He obviously thinks he's beat if oppo shoves which gives a bit more info on the 'tightness'. Rich can't see any bluffs in his range so I assume there aren't too many hero calls in there either.

I can't see enough sick hero calls in this guy's locker to lump anything else in to this pot.

There's possibly a couple of 6x suited hands but that's it.

100% this guy never check shoves worse and is the 4th tightest out of the last 4!!

[Eso Kral]

the guy c/shoves almost never and if he does its always with the best hand. we should have the best hand mostttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt of the time therefore think betting is best.

agreed so we are happy to bet for value and then fold if shoved on.

[EvilPie]

the guy c/shoves almost never and if he does its always with the best hand. we should have the best hand mostttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt of the time therefore think betting is best.

I'd agree with this if I could think of enough worse hands he calls with.

What range of worse hands have you got him on that he calls with?

[cambridgealex]

A2 A3, 44, 55, worse 6x, ace high.

[EvilPie]

call what matty?

Sorry my bad.

Just check then.

Checking behind because we'll fold if he raises is just a TERRIBLE reason for not betting.

I've got lot's of terrible reasons for doing things. They're what have got me where I am today.

I can't think of enough worse hands he'll call with to offset the better hands he calls with + the better hands he jams with + the occasional worse hand he shoves with.

Unless there's some real history of thin value bets and sick hero calls I much prefer the check.

With history I prefer betting to call a shove than betting to fold but not against the described oppo.

Villain is described as 'tightish' and 'laddering away'.

The reason I asked Rich what he'd do is to gauge the opponent. He obviously thinks he's beat if oppo shoves which gives a bit more info on the 'tightness'. Rich can't see any bluffs in his range so I assume there aren't too many hero calls in there either.

I can't see enough sick hero calls in this guy's locker to lump anything else in to this pot.

There's possibly a couple of 6x suited hands but that's it.

100% this guy never check shoves worse and is the 4th tightest out of the last 4!!

Well that's very useful info and obviously means we have no decisions.

Now all we need to know is if he call with worse and also potentially fold better?

Does he have a habit of making sick hero calls?

[EvilPie]

A2 A3, 44, 55, worse 6x, ace high.

Doesn't a hero caller usually raise most of these pre?

[Eso Kral]

call what matty?

Sorry my bad.

Just check then.

Checking behind because we'll fold if he raises is just a TERRIBLE reason for not betting.

I've got lot's of terrible reasons for doing things. They're what have got me where I am today.

I can't think of enough worse hands he'll call with to offset the better hands he calls with + the better hands he jams with + the occasional worse hand he shoves with.

Unless there's some real history of thin value bets and sick hero calls I much prefer the check.

With history I prefer betting to call a shove than betting to fold but not against the described oppo.

Villain is described as 'tightish' and 'laddering away'.

The reason I asked Rich what he'd do is to gauge the opponent. He obviously thinks he's beat if oppo shoves which gives a bit more info on the 'tightness'. Rich can't see any bluffs in his range so I assume there aren't too many hero calls in there either.

I can't see enough sick hero calls in this guy's locker to lump anything else in to this pot.

There's possibly a couple of 6x suited hands but that's it.

100% this guy never check shoves worse and is the 4th tightest out of the last 4!!

Well that's very useful info and obviously means we have no decisions.

Now all we need to know is if he call with worse and also potentially fold better?

Does he have a habit of making sick hero calls?

From 10 handed he was the least active player on the table so imo just flat abc poker playing his cards!!

[muckthenuts]

Fwiw if you think this is a thin value bet then you don't value bet enough.

[cambridgealex]

Fwiw if you think this is a thin value bet then you don't value bet enough.

this

[EvilPie]

100% this guy never check shoves worse and is the 4th tightest out of the last 4!!

Well that's very useful info and obviously means we have no decisions.

Now all we need to know is if he call with worse and also potentially fold better?

Does he have a habit of making sick hero calls?

From 10 handed he was the least active player on the table so imo just flat abc poker playing his cards!!

Well you know him better than any of us as you played with him so do the following:

a) Give us a list of some hands that you think he flats pre and then hero calls here that are worse than your hand.

b) Give us a list of some hands he flats pre and then calls or shoves with that are better than your hand.

If you're finding it easier to fill list 'a' than list 'b' then it's well worth a value bet.

If you can't think of

[EvilPie]

Fwiw if you think this is a thin value bet then you don't value bet enough.

Fwiw I don't think this is thin at all against the correct opponent.

I just like to know before I stick the chips in the middle.