Public Sector Strikes

[ACE2M]

i know bongo is not a twat but i was getting annoyed with the keyboard warrior snipes. He still hasn't answered my question....

Taxing you more will motivate you to be more succesful to earn more money to cover the amount you're losing, win win?

WEEE!

I think your question was based on a faulty premise, I was talking about 2 different things really...
1) The coalition's plan (and how I don't think it's good, just I don't see any better ones).
2) How talk of taxing the rich more never takes into account things like the Laffer Curve

You still haven't answered the question of what would you do differently?

I don't know what we are meant to do, but without growth their plans are not plausable,...

The economy is growing - so that's okay then

not at a rate that has any benefit to our problems.

[boldie]

Taxing you more will motivate you to be more succesful to earn more money to cover the amount you're losing, win win?

Taxing poor people more and rich people less seems like a good motivator for everyone to want to be successful.

[boldie]

omg!

The desperation of a terrible strike hits

I hadnt heard the Jeremy Clarkson kerfuffle, but having heard what UNISON have just said - i lol'd hard

#worldgonemad

He advocated shooting everyone that went on strike. 

[ ] he meant it
[ ] people who complained should be taken seriously

• people who complained should be taken out and shot [ ] literally

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100120977/jeremy-clarksons-critics-should-be-taken-out-and-shot/

@ the BBC apologising. Could not agree more with James Delingpole here (Other than his last paragraph)

[TightEnd]

i know bongo is not a twat but i was getting annoyed with the keyboard warrior snipes. He still hasn't answered my question....

Taxing you more will motivate you to be more succesful to earn more money to cover the amount you're losing, win win?

WEEE!

I think your question was based on a faulty premise, I was talking about 2 different things really...
1) The coalition's plan (and how I don't think it's good, just I don't see any better ones).
2) How talk of taxing the rich more never takes into account things like the Laffer Curve

You still haven't answered the question of what would you do differently?

I don't know what we are meant to do, but without growth their plans are not plausable,...

The economy is growing - so that's okay then

not at a rate that has any benefit to our problems.

this may be so, but the vast majority of people do not realise that no option is palatable

a) Spend more. Ain't going to happen
b) Tax more at the top end. Again ain't going to happen. Significant deterrent to economic activity, and as a minor factor politically difficult depending on stage of the electoral cycle. Even the Blair and Brown governments shied away from "socialist" policies on tax. Just not a runner in this political economy
c) Cut the same but slower. Might happen if the current opposition gets in. but only prolongs the pain

We have a generation ahead of stagnant growth and a very painful adjustment to reversing high personal and sovereign debt levels.

If the Eurozone goes bust along the way, more widely than already, its more painful than that as well

As part of this there is a nasty confluence of factors in the pensions market too

- A big bulge of people 40-60 years old retiring 2015-25, many on old defined benefit schemes
- People living a lot longer, so the burden of greater numbers on state pensions lasts for longer

These factors only delay the reduction of the budget deficit too

So people are asked to take real terms cuts in their pensions, work longer etc etc

All this is irrespective of whether the government is Tory, Labour, coalition or whatever

[AndrewT]

Clearly the only solution is some sort of Logan's Run/Soylent Green scenario for those over 65.

[Jon MW]

Clearly the only solution is some sort of Logan's Run/Soylent Green scenario for those over 65.

I thought the answer is that they give us the public sector budget and we spin it up for them

[mulhuzz]

Clearly the only solution is some sort of Logan's Run/Soylent Green scenario for those over 65.

I thought the answer is that they give us the public sector budget and we spin it up for them

very much this. I've been on the phone the cameron already and told him how good I'm running at roulette atm.

He says he'll be in touch to ship the first £100bn sometime this week. Hope Gala Gibraltar can cover it

[Bongo]

Sigh, Cameron is such a mug, should have given the lot to Bopkin to punt on volleyball.

[mulhuzz]

Sigh, Cameron is such a mug, should have given the lot to Bopkin to punt on volleyball.

prolly didn't need confirming ITT

[mulhuzz]

jesus h christ.

i just saw the unison head compare Clarkson to Gaddafi.

think I'm going to be a little sick in my mouth. wanker.

[boldie]

jesus h christ.

i just saw the unison head compare Clarkson to Gaddafi.

think I'm going to be a little sick in my mouth. wanker.

Yep, Unison might take legal action as they want him sacked, The BBC apologised (after knowing exactly what he would say when asked such a question) and
Labour leader Ed Miliband described his comments as "absolutely disgraceful and disgusting".

He said: "Jeremy Clarkson should apologise for those comments. He obviously does not understand the lives of the people who were going out on strike."

Obv Milliband agrees with the unions (not because the unions have always supported Labour and the only way Milliband can get elected is with massive support of the unions obviously but from an ideological stand point) and wants to encourage more strikes.

Milliband is massively irresponsible when supporting this type of strike action and is showing every day that he would be feckless as a PM, IMO.

though I'm guessing that he thinks the strikes are wrong ;



What a tool.

[vegaslover]

Soooo many lol comments on this thread, not even worth trying to argue with all the concrete thinking of the private sector masses here. The daily mail would be proud

[doubleup]

Soooo many lol comments on this thread, not even worth trying to argue with all the concrete thinking of the private sector masses here. The daily mail would be proud

nice bit of trolling 

[MANTIS01]

I have worked in the private sector all my life as well. I employ a young part-time fitness instructor called Charlotte. She is a single mum and doesn't get much support from her estranged family so life is quite a struggle. It would be easy for her to claim benefits full-time but she is determined to make something of herself. She dreams of being a personal trainer and so works 2 jobs, studies at college, manages a house and her two kids at just 20 yrs old. I am full of admiration for her and that battling attitude. On Wednesday she couldn't go to college to attend her course and couldn't come to work because of no buses. She can barely afford to miss either of these things cos exams in 2 weeks and spends every last penny of her wages. 

I don't really know why public sector workers expect sympathy from people in the private sector. When Charlotte's electricity card runs out a couple of days before pay day she will be more concerned with her own situation I imagine. I think the strike action was an insanely selfish thing to do with the whole country reeling and without public support it is a dire strategy from the unions. Charlotte doesn't have a pension just like everybody else who works in this industry. If I mentioned it to our MD he would prob laugh in my face and remind me where the exit is. Similarly if any public sector worker vacated their job in these times a thousand people would be in the queue to take it and the country would run just the same. I don't buy this good pensions are needed to attract talent either. My binman hasn't got the talent to collect my rubbish if it's in the wrong colour bin.

[WPIL]

Picture of Charlotte please