Stars $55 10k gtd, QQ facing 3bet from random

[Pugwashed]

He's been at the table 3 hands, he 3bet the hand before with similar sizing. I think flop is pretty standard, thoughts on turn?

Poker Stars, $50 + $5 NL Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

MP2: 2,585
CO: 3,161
BTN: 2,210
SB: 3,835
BB: 3,325
Hero (UTG): 4,020
UTG+1: 5,828
UTG+2: 3,324
MP1: 1,780

Pre-Flop: (45) Q Q dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to 90, 4 folds, CO raises to 200, 3 folds, Hero calls 110

Flop: (445) 6 9 K (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (445) 7 (2 Players)
Hero bets 240, CO raises to 480, Hero ?

[titaniumbean]

Why are we leading the turn?

If we think that he's not 3betting really light, then we aren't doing very well so why not check the turn again, as is now he's done a minraise yeh like fk am I folding call and see the river, see how he bets.

[cambridgealex]

he has kk ldo

dont bet turn. fold now.

[Pugwashed]

If we think that he's not 3betting really light

Never said this, that was your own assumption

[titaniumbean]

If we think that he's not 3betting really light

Never said this, that was your own assumption

wat


then why is it a decision?

if he can be light then go mental, dont fold. if he cant be then arguments can be made for b/f'ing turn. or just checking and giving up.

[mulhuzz]

never minraising worse..

[titaniumbean]

never minraising worse..

if he's 3betting worse pre then he can be.

[mulhuzz]

never minraising worse..

if he's 3betting worse pre then he can be.

I don't think (well, I wouldn't, prepared to be wrong tho) that some random guy in a $55 just spazzes like that. We certainly don't know enough about him to assume he isn't competent, so bet/fold turn is fine if you think he can be a little wider, otherwise it's fine to check/give up.

happily for you, if he's not spazzing, you save chips, and if he is, you'll find a better spot.

[Pugwashed]

The lead on the turn was because it seems pretty unlikely he checks back AK/AA so I have the best hand here a lot, if he has JJ or some random 9x as a 3bet bluff then he always calls 1 street and a lot of the time calls 2

[titaniumbean]

The lead on the turn was because it seems pretty unlikely he checks back AK/AA so I have the best hand here a lot, if he has JJ or some random 9x as a 3bet bluff then he always calls 1 street and a lot of the time calls 2

if he can be 3betting so wide preflop then just check the turn and get money out of his delayed cbets and don't b/f the best hand on the turn?

[Pugwashed]

As the 3bettor, he should be cbetting dry K high flops almost always, with all his air and with hands that beat us. If it was K96 with a flush draw then its more likely he'll get check/raised so he's be less likely to cbet this light. Because of this I don't think he makes many delayed cbets that we lose value from by leading turn, he has some stuff that he might try to check down that we beat that we get value from by leading turn. And occasionally he might value bet turn or river with worse if we check but we're not losing value as he calls with these anyway

[pokerfan]

If we think that he's not 3betting really light

Never said this, that was your own assumption

Fair assumption given we have 3 hands on a random.

[titaniumbean]

As the 3bettor, he should be cbetting dry K high flops almost always, with all his air and with hands that beat us. If it was K96 with a flush draw then its more likely he'll get check/raised so he's be less likely to cbet this light. Because of this I don't think he makes many delayed cbets that we lose value from by leading turn, he has some stuff that he might try to check down that we beat that we get value from by leading turn. And occasionally he might value bet turn or river with worse if we check but we're not losing value as he calls with these anyway

He should be but as we have no reads we don't know if hes good, if he's bad he can be 3betting too wide for value, 3betting randomly etc.

I don't see why one minute we think he's so good he'd cbet his air cos we know to on this flop texture, whilst at the same time he can be 3betting 99 pre antes.

Similarly you said he cbets AA/AK so how is he minraising the turn, surely with that read he just never has anything here.

[Pugwashed]

I never said anywhere that he's 3betting 99. I said 9x hands, so that could include stuff like   or or other random hands with a 9 that he decides to 3bet as a bluff.

It doesn't matter whether I think he's good or not (tbh he's not as most people who are good tend to be screennames I recognise or have hands on) he's still cbetting here the vast majority of the time.

And at no point did I say what I thought of his range when he minraises the turn, at the time I was just kinda wtf about it, peeled turn and folded river when I checked and he bet big. KK seemed pretty likely but AK/AA might sometimes get played like this

[muckthenuts]

If we think that he's not 3betting really light

Never said this, that was your own assumption

Fair assumption given we have 3 hands on a random.

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