Luton 2012 thread, powered by the same old 3-4 posters

[parker]

answers on a postcard please. Count yourself lucky you can even get on the site chompy, it crashes my phone every time i try

The monthly schedule is available from the reception desk, in a clear(ish) to read A4 paper style format

Staff are available to discuss all your poker questions and needs,should any problems arise

I hope this helps

give the man a job!!!

[FallenAngelAlex]

thanks for answering my gripe George. I dont have an i phone this is on a Nokia and every time i try and go on it makes my whole phone freeze up. Face book again is a bit of a problem as the set up only allows me to look at up dates and the update for g is soon lost in the history. I have print outs at home however usually when i decide to play its during use day and i come straight from work. I try not to fill my bag with random bits of paper and it wouldnt look to good if i kept it at work. Im a challenge i know. All i want is correct up to date info and it just gets frustrating when i cant get it.

[celtic]

Fairly sure the g has a telephone number. Just sayin.

[FallenAngelAlex]

they sure do but no one in the card room till seven and last time i asked reception they didnt have a clue so i ended up turning up for a tourney i didnt want to play in.

[FallenAngelAlex]

ok totally confused now. Finally manage to get on to the g site but cant figure out Whats on today. Anyone care to enlighten me?

[Chompy]

Yuh, Sunday comps were on there when I looked last weekend but aren't any more imo.

[celtic]

Yuh, Sunday comps were on there when I looked last weekend but aren't any more imo.

Did you do a win?

[Gemini Kings]

Ul Brijesh     ......     unfortunately the Luton G now should only be regarded as a venue for 'recreational poker' - gone are its days of being a 'top cardroom'.

Time after time their rulings are wrong.

A personal example;

A similar scenario happened to me in a hand a month, or so, ago - I raised all in, called in one spot, turn my PP over, oppo looks down for his (unprotected) cards, rookie dealer has mucked them      .....     at (you guessed it) the Luton G.

Ruling called for    ....       we both agreed we 'knew' what the outcome was to be - and put it down to his 'bad luck'.

Not on your Luton G phuqqin Nelly my son!

I sat gobsmacked as talk of 'reconstructing the hand' slowly melded into a decision that my oppo got his chips back (he outchipped me, but not even the 'call' amount was taken from his stack)     ......   and I ended up with the SB/BB/antes only.

Now everyone down to Pina the Cleaner knew what the ruling should have been - but I ended up getting the worst ruling of my 'poker life'!

I actually had a 'quiet word' with George about the above    ....    he replied, "I suppose it was the fairest thing to do."

WTF??  We were talking about poker not the phuqqin partition of India!

'Fairness' shouldn't be an excuse to flout the rules of the game!!


Another example;

Deep in the Saturday afterlunch comp Player 1 raises, Player 2 re-raises, Player 1 shoves, Player 2 moves a tall stack of 1k chips over the line and flips over Aces.
Player 1 grimaces then says, “Have you put enough in?”
Ruling called for     …..      
Ruling – because Player 2 hadn’t announced “call” his hand was dead, and the pot was awarded to Player 1.
The count showed Player 2 was 1,400 chips short- in a 90k pot       ……..        his Aces hadn’t touched the muck, and were still the ‘right side’ of the line!
The other players at the table protested but were quickly told a TD’s decision was final!

Tbh nothing surprises me anymore @ Luton.

As I’ve said before shove all the G staff into a minibus, drive to Nottingham, and spend the day @ DTD to learn from the best     ….        You’ll also bump into a lot of your old customers!
 

Example one,
Sorry Luther but I agree with George that the ruling was fairest option though I accept that usually the player would Lose his chips. I have always thought this was a crazy rule though. The rulings should be fair. Fairness and poker should not be in contradiction to each other. Anyway I would not want to win chips from a player, especially all of his chips, if the mistake was not the players fault.
I know about it being the players responsibility to protect his/her cards but I consider this a get out clause for dealers mistakes.
If a players cards are behind the line and are wrongly mucked by the dealer the player should not suffer loss of chips as a result IMO.

Example two
Defies belief and logic. The players actions clearly demonstrate that he is calling.

[Chompy]

Yuh, Sunday comps were on there when I looked last weekend but aren't any more imo.

Did you do a win?

Honourable fifth at Genting. On a tough final table too.

[luther101]

Ul Brijesh     ......     unfortunately the Luton G now should only be regarded as a venue for 'recreational poker' - gone are its days of being a 'top cardroom'.

Time after time their rulings are wrong.

A personal example;

A similar scenario happened to me in a hand a month, or so, ago - I raised all in, called in one spot, turn my PP over, oppo looks down for his (unprotected) cards, rookie dealer has mucked them      .....     at (you guessed it) the Luton G.

Ruling called for    ....       we both agreed we 'knew' what the outcome was to be - and put it down to his 'bad luck'.

Not on your Luton G phuqqin Nelly my son!

I sat gobsmacked as talk of 'reconstructing the hand' slowly melded into a decision that my oppo got his chips back (he outchipped me, but not even the 'call' amount was taken from his stack)     ......   and I ended up with the SB/BB/antes only.

Now everyone down to Pina the Cleaner knew what the ruling should have been - but I ended up getting the worst ruling of my 'poker life'!

I actually had a 'quiet word' with George about the above    ....    he replied, "I suppose it was the fairest thing to do."

WTF??  We were talking about poker not the phuqqin partition of India!

'Fairness' shouldn't be an excuse to flout the rules of the game!!


Another example;

Deep in the Saturday afterlunch comp Player 1 raises, Player 2 re-raises, Player 1 shoves, Player 2 moves a tall stack of 1k chips over the line and flips over Aces.
Player 1 grimaces then says, “Have you put enough in?”
Ruling called for     …..      
Ruling – because Player 2 hadn’t announced “call” his hand was dead, and the pot was awarded to Player 1.
The count showed Player 2 was 1,400 chips short- in a 90k pot       ……..        his Aces hadn’t touched the muck, and were still the ‘right side’ of the line!
The other players at the table protested but were quickly told a TD’s decision was final!

Tbh nothing surprises me anymore @ Luton.

As I’ve said before shove all the G staff into a minibus, drive to Nottingham, and spend the day @ DTD to learn from the best     ….        You’ll also bump into a lot of your old customers!
 

Example one,
Sorry Luther but I agree with George that the ruling was fairest option though I accept that usually the player would Lose his chips. I have always thought this was a crazy rule though. The rulings should be fair. Fairness and poker should not be in contradiction to each other. Anyway I would not want to win chips from a player, especially all of his chips, if the mistake was not the players fault.
I know about it being the players responsibility to protect his/her cards but I consider this a get out clause for dealers mistakes.
If a players cards are behind the line and are wrongly mucked by the dealer the player should not suffer loss of chips as a result IMO.

Example two
Defies belief and logic. The players actions clearly demonstrate that he is calling.

Errrrrmmmm, example one     ......       the same scenario had happened to me previously - dealer had mucked my cards inadvertently after I pushed all in.

The ruling?

"It's the player's responsiblity to protect their cards     ....      hand is dead. The pot goes to the opponent."

Such consistency!

[Britishgas]

It is not about being fair, the rule in should be either right or wrong. G runs the GUKPT series with great success and they sure should have some common set of rules, the rules are meant for running the game in a consistent manner and not leave it to individual from roullete table to come and give a rule in saying it is fair. If emotion drives rulein, than we will get different set of rulein by different individual for same scenario.

If the rulein is based on emotion and individual, we will never get consistencey. Hope such a big casino like G have got individuals who can give right decission and it might be harsh at moments.

The worst part was that the dealer was new, no or limited trainning to the dealer, no card room manager, game stopped for 20 mins and than comes the roullete manager to give the rule in in style:). Never seen him in a card room.

[Gemini Kings]

Ul Brijesh     ......     unfortunately the Luton G now should only be regarded as a venue for 'recreational poker' - gone are its days of being a 'top cardroom'.

Time after time their rulings are wrong.

A personal example;

A similar scenario happened to me in a hand a month, or so, ago - I raised all in, called in one spot, turn my PP over, oppo looks down for his (unprotected) cards, rookie dealer has mucked them      .....     at (you guessed it) the Luton G.

Ruling called for    ....       we both agreed we 'knew' what the outcome was to be - and put it down to his 'bad luck'.

Not on your Luton G phuqqin Nelly my son!

I sat gobsmacked as talk of 'reconstructing the hand' slowly melded into a decision that my oppo got his chips back (he outchipped me, but not even the 'call' amount was taken from his stack)     ......   and I ended up with the SB/BB/antes only.

Now everyone down to Pina the Cleaner knew what the ruling should have been - but I ended up getting the worst ruling of my 'poker life'!

I actually had a 'quiet word' with George about the above    ....    he replied, "I suppose it was the fairest thing to do."

WTF??  We were talking about poker not the phuqqin partition of India!

'Fairness' shouldn't be an excuse to flout the rules of the game!!


Another example;

Deep in the Saturday afterlunch comp Player 1 raises, Player 2 re-raises, Player 1 shoves, Player 2 moves a tall stack of 1k chips over the line and flips over Aces.
Player 1 grimaces then says, “Have you put enough in?”
Ruling called for     …..      
Ruling – because Player 2 hadn’t announced “call” his hand was dead, and the pot was awarded to Player 1.
The count showed Player 2 was 1,400 chips short- in a 90k pot       ……..        his Aces hadn’t touched the muck, and were still the ‘right side’ of the line!
The other players at the table protested but were quickly told a TD’s decision was final!

Tbh nothing surprises me anymore @ Luton.

As I’ve said before shove all the G staff into a minibus, drive to Nottingham, and spend the day @ DTD to learn from the best     ….        You’ll also bump into a lot of your old customers!
 

Example one,
Sorry Luther but I agree with George that the ruling was fairest option though I accept that usually the player would Lose his chips. I have always thought this was a crazy rule though. The rulings should be fair. Fairness and poker should not be in contradiction to each other. Anyway I would not want to win chips from a player, especially all of his chips, if the mistake was not the players fault.
I know about it being the players responsibility to protect his/her cards but I consider this a get out clause for dealers mistakes.
If a players cards are behind the line and are wrongly mucked by the dealer the player should not suffer loss of chips as a result IMO.

Example two
Defies belief and logic. The players actions clearly demonstrate that he is calling.

Errrrrmmmm, example one     ......       the same scenario had happened to me previously - dealer had mucked my cards inadvertently after I pushed all in.

The ruling?

"It's the player's responsiblity to protect their cards     ....      hand is dead. The pot goes to the opponent."

Such consistency!

Yeah I know that is usually the ruling but I think it shouldn't be IMO . Dealers mistake so the player should get his chips back although I know the rules state the hand is dead. Just my opinion. But hey life is not always fair so I shouldn't expect poker to be.

[Gemini Kings]

It is not about being fair, the rule in should be either right or wrong. G runs the GUKPT series with great success and they sure should have some common set of rules, the rules are meant for running the game in a consistent manner and not leave it to individual from roullete table to come and give a rule in saying it is fair. If emotion drives rulein, than we will get different set of rulein by different individual for same scenario.

If the rulein is based on emotion and individual, we will never get consistencey. Hope such a big casino like G have got individuals who can give right decission and it might be harsh at moments.

The worst part was that the dealer was new, no or limited trainning to the dealer, no card room manager, game stopped for 20 mins and than comes the roullete manager to give the rule in in style:). Never seen him in a card room.

Regarding the ruling on your hand Das from what I remember you hadn't put any chips across the line so the player acting after you didn't know you were in the hand. Obviously you had cards in front of you but players usually look to see If any chips are over the line, ie has anyone called or raised, before they act. I'm not saying you did anything wrong but the dealer who heard you say all in should have told you to push some chips over the line. This is to stop this situation happening. Other players do not always hear all ins especially in noisy casinos and when seated a few seats away. We have all done it I'm sure. Called or raised only to be told by the dealer that someone had gone all in.

If your chips had been over the line then I think he should have had to put his whole stack in and play out the hand, but they weren't.

Rulings need to be made giving regard to all of the circumstances and in this case I think the correct decision was made.  He lost the 5k chip he threw in and no more. Otherwise it would be easy for players to angle shoot by announcing all in just loud enough for the dealer to hear who is usually looking at the player next to act but not loud enough for players at the other end to hear. They then leave their chips in situ and hope someone raises around the table.

I know you were not angle shooting Das but there are a small number that would if there was a hard and fast rule with no flexibility for the given circumstances.

[relaedgc]

I am a little hesitant to jump in to this conversation because I can't say that I am fully conversant with the incident surrounding Brijesh.

Paul, I can't remember the situation that you have described and I am not sure if I was the individual that gave the ruling. However, I feel that it is important to stress that fairness is very much a part of the game. I am sorry if it is felt that it should be cut throat and ruthless but so long as I am regulating poker in G Casino Luton, I will always consider the fairness and integrity of the game when I pass judgement.

You've gone all in. You have been called by another player. His hand has then been mucked by the dealer? I fail to see why a reconstruction of the hand would even be necessary in this incident. I suspect, given the ruling that was given that mitigating factors were at play here but it's pointless to speculate.

The incident with Brijesh is a little more complicated. I am given to understand that for some unfathomable reason, the Supervisor on shift vanished and they were unable to find him in the building. And so, with a need to make a decision, they brought in an Inspector from the gaming floor with poker experience and he ruled as he ruled. He called me after the fact and explained the situation to me. I maintain that I have no issue with the ruling given. It's hard to speak with certainty because there are undoubtedly a multiplicity of variables at play that you can only really absorb at that given time. However, I do not feel that it was a bad ruling. It was fair. Fairness is, I am afraid to say, important on my watch. It goes hand in hand with rules. Which are to ensure the game is fair, honest and conducted in a manner that protects all players equally.

Paul. Your second scenario sounds absurd. Who gave that ruling, I'd like to know?

[relaedgc]

And Paul, one more thing, as for the same old, same old bland schedule - I'd like to put forth that a large proportion of it was generated based on the conversation and feedback we had from the customers. I seem to recall that it was quite similar to your own suggestions?

Can I ask then, if it's good enough for you to suggest it as a viable tournament with good guarantees. Why is not good enough to play?

I accept that at present we're not the same card room that we were when I was working there five years ago. The core experienced staff is no longer in place; people have moved on and we are in a transitional period where we've adjusted to the economic and poker climate. When you have new staff I am afraid to say that the only way for them to gain the necessary confidence is to have table time.

I often hear the excuse that they are put on the table too early. Well. When I watch these guys chop multi-way pots over and over for six hours, I think it's reasonable to assume that they're proficient with the technicalities. It is another thing entirely to be faced with 9 customers who, if you forgive me, can be terribly intimidating.

There's also nothing more lamentable than inconsistency with rulings and I am sorry that this has occurred. We do not want to convey an atmosphere that suggests we're unconcerned by your needs and desires nor should there be a perception that we make it up as we go along. I consider myself technically astute when it comes to ensuring that the rules are enforced as they ought to be - but poker isn't the same as roulette, to counter an example made earlier in the thread. Every situation is different and the variables/factors you have to contend with are not found on the hard gaming tables.

You're more than welcome to discuss any concerns with me in club. If you wish to speak with me personally and I am not there, they'll gladly inform you when I am next on shift that we might have a chat.

I've always asked for constructive feedback and I shall once more extend that invitation once more. Taking a pot shot at us and glossing it in three paragraphs of polyphonic prose doesn't mean that you're providing us with constructive feedback.

What I have taken away from this thus far, just to clarify.

* Our schedule is not popular.
* Our website cannot be accessed by an iPhone.
* There has been an incident of inconsistency in the delivery of a ruling. The objection is that fairness played a part of the decision process.
* Our dealers are inexperienced/badly trained.

What I would like to know.

* What would you like to see from our schedule? We offer reasonable guarantees and buy-in levels. Can you expand upon your needs and desires?
* If we can't get the information to you via our website, how else can we ensure that you're informed of what you need to know other than delivering the schedule in-club and via facebook as we do at present?

The inexperience in our current operation is, once more, unfortunate. I am sorry, I truly am, that you have felt that your experience has been soured by a poor ruling or a particularly nervous dealer. I would like to stress however that the dealers are all trained to a required standard and that they are, when signed off, fully confident. Nerves play a huge factor when dealing poker for some people and it can make the superstar of the class appear abysmal - but they are able to deal, they simply have to settle and endure the 'sink or swim at the deep end' experience.

Once more, I'm always happy to discuss the situation with regards to the rules.

Thank you for your time.