Nut low house

[zerofive]

Live 50/1. Table has just opened up, probably played about 20 hands. I've 3bet pre once and taken it down and folded the rest. Villain has raised one pot and bet/bet/check with AQ on Axxxx and limped a few times. Playing £230~ effective stacks.

Couple of fish limp, he makes it £6, active guy to my right calls, I call the button with , blinds fold and limpers call.

Flop (£31.50)

Checked round.

Turn (£31.50)

Checked to me, I bet £20. Folded to villain who quickly announces £80. I call.

River (£191.50)

Villain bets £100 (which leaves £50~ behind). I call.

Anyone play this differently?

[cambridgealex]

Sean,

you forgot about his extra £50 quid.

take it next time.

[DMorgan]

I'd fold pre, a lot of people probably wouldn't though

(not trying to nit up my image ahead of a DTD cash game adventure over monte carlo, promise)

I wouldn't mind a flop bet when it checks to you, decent spot to semibluff with bottom pair and the backdoor flush draw if you think the fish will c/c c/f to a second barrel with Tx hands.

Such a gross spot when he c/raises turn. He's repping QQ/TT only cos I think he deffo bets KK and AA on the flop 4 handed. I can't really think of any combos that he'd bluff with though that fit with his preflop range. I think he leads turn with hands like   and might have just cbet the flop with them. Hard to imagine he'd just randomly spaz with AK, 99 or something like that pre. Given that he's done a bit of limping I think we can reasonably assign him a pretty strong preflop range too. The AQ hand you mention makes me doubt that he'd ever do this with Qx because he's just bet the flop. Hard to imagine that he'd show up with QT here either given pre.

I think in theory fold turn, but nobody does. As played fold river, I don't think he ever bluffs this sizing. I'd like to think that I'd find the river fold. Boating doesn't change our hand strength at all vs his range but folding a boat seems a lot harder than folding trips

[DMorgan]

Sean,

you forgot about his extra £50 quid.

take it next time.

Please don't jam river vs this guy ever. He's literally at either the north or south pole.

[cambridgealex]

Sean,

you forgot about his extra £50 quid.

take it next time.

Please don't jam river vs this guy ever. He's literally at either the north or south pole.

i didnt see he'd raised pre having shown a tendancy to limp, thereofre can't have other 4x combos. fold river then in an ideal world.

[SuuPRlim]

abso hating life on the turn

id really struggle to find the fold btn here but agree it'd be a great spot to find it

[muckthenuts]

I'd fold pre, a lot of people probably wouldn't though

Yeah i'd fold too. I've found suited connectors to be an probable losing habit in the long run and i think it's plugged a leak when i stopped peeling with them to raises.

[GreekStein]

Does villain really raise that much on the turn with QQ or 1010?

I'd be more inclined to fold if he made it like 55 which I'd expect more often when he was raising with boats.

Is that flawed thinking?

[Mitch]

I agree with Papadopoulisalington, generally when someone's line is to trap to get more money in with top set in multi way pot, why when they get a nut turn are they making their sizing so big now to possibly kill action.

I'm probs playing it the same n calling now.

[GreekStein]

Yeh I call/call

[jakally]

As played fold river, I don't think he ever bluffs this sizing.

I'm not sure that's true.
When some recreational  players get to the river and know they have to bet to win, they are very reluctant to do a full stack, but don't want to give up without having another stab.
It's not impossible that he has a combo draw (AKhh, KJhh, AJhh etc...).

Never folding the river.
If I'm ever folding, would be the turn, but very unlikely based on just 20 hands of information.

[cambridgealex]

As played fold river, I don't think he ever bluffs this sizing.

I'm not sure that's true.
When some recreational  players get to the river and know they have to bet to win, they are very reluctant to do a full stack, but don't want to give up without having another stab.
It's not impossible that he has a combo draw (AKhh, KJhh, AJhh etc...).

Never folding the river.
If I'm ever folding, would be the turn, but very unlikely based on just 20 hands of information.

argh my opinions are far too easily swayed. agree with all of that Neil.

Especially the point about river bluff sizing. So many times I've been faced with a river bet that looks sooo valuey like they bet 30 on the turn then 35 on the river, but the line makes no sense so I call and they are bluffing. it always surprises me, why wouldn't they at least take a manly stab at the pot come on man!

[smashedagain]

I'd fold pre, a lot of people probably wouldn't though

(not trying to nit up my image ahead of a DTD cash game adventure over monte carlo, promise)

Any heads up with Rob planned Captain?

[zerofive]

Does villain really raise that much on the turn with QQ or 1010?

I'd be more inclined to fold if he made it like 55 which I'd expect more often when he was raising with boats.

Is that flawed thinking?

This was my thinking (so probs flawed, yes). My first thought was that he might have been trying to set the tarp with an overpair, but obv that's a thin range. Combos are definitely in there, but like Dan said, I'd expect him to be leading out with these hands.

When some recreational  players get to the river and know they have to bet to win, they are very reluctant to do a full stack, but don't want to give up without having another stab.

Also, we've all seen this a number of times. What I tend to see turned over in these situations are not only weird bluffs, but also hands that fall within a merged range, probably by accident. I wouldn't be too surprised to see AQ/KQ here even though he's not supposed to have these hands.

Folding turn felt very realistic at the time, but the more I look at it, the less sure I become that folding is a viable option. At first glance, it looks like he can only have QQ/TT like Dan says but it's just such a weird bet size. Obv once I call turn, I can't fold river.

Would like to get more thoughts and opinions on folding pre and betting flop, though.

[cambridgealex]

pretty much always peeling pre and definitely betting the flop.