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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2011, 04:54:51 PM » |
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seems a v unexplotable shove.
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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2011, 05:47:41 PM » |
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seems a v unexplotable shove.
Can u explain this pls marc? |
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« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2011, 09:06:07 PM » |
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an un-exploitable play is one that, against an opponent who will play 100% perfectly against you, it will still show a profit.
or are you asking how a play can be VERY unexploitable as opposed to just unexploitable lol
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« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2011, 09:21:30 PM » |
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Any details on the 4b/f with <30bb's?
Sounds like this was the reason for not shoving this pretty simple spot.
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« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2011, 11:24:23 PM » |
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Any details on the 4b/f with <30bb's?
Sounds like this was the reason for not shoving this pretty simple spot.
Nothing overly interesting and didn't really affect me at all. Had 50 bigs at the time, it was in the previous level. I wouldn't 4b/f with 30 bigs, my 4 bet would've been a jam. I made it 25k at 6k/12k + 1000 He 3 bet to 53k. I made it 105k and folded when he shipped. I had Q8dd. Was just making a stand. A friend watching the updates said he had AK. My timing sucks  |
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« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2011, 12:35:12 AM » |
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seems a v unexplotable shove.
Can u explain this pls marc? an un-exploitable play is one that, against an opponent who will play 100% perfectly against you, it will still show a profit.
or are you asking how a play can be VERY unexploitable as opposed to just unexploitable lol
Nah more what an unexplotable shove was. As in, a shove that cannot be plotted on a graph? What sort of shove is this? |
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« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2011, 01:03:03 AM » |
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Basically you could turn your cards over, have your opponents choose what they'll call or fold with and it still won't be a losing play
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« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2011, 02:55:29 AM » |
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Basically you could turn your cards over, have your opponents choose what they'll call or fold with and it still won't be a losing play
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« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2011, 03:18:46 AM » |
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Doesn't seem close. Pretty much shoving most hands > Q7 here.
Seems pointless preserving fold-equity if we are only shoving hands > KJs? Folding KJs here is doing quite the opposite.
I guess normally it's a standard shove for you, but in game-time it's never that simple.
Wp overall though, great run
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« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2011, 09:19:05 AM » |
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Basically you could turn your cards over, have your opponents choose what they'll call or fold with and it still won't be a losing play
whoosh Muckthenuts is right. An Unexploitable shove means no matter what ranges the people behind you call, they cannot make the shove -EV. So if they all call 20% it is still +ev, if the call 100% it is still +ev, it one calls 20%, one 50%, one 10% it is still +ev etc............ Lil Dave is more referring to nash equilibrium ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_equilibrium), where people shove mathematically perfect and opponents call mathematically perfectly. |
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« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2011, 09:47:20 AM » |
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shoving a range of 22+ A2s+ A8o+ K4s+ KTo+ Q7s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo T8s+ 98s 87s here with this stack
Why this range? |
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« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2011, 09:48:09 AM » |
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Any thoughts on raise calling given what I said about the aggro stack?
Nah i don't think it'll fool too many people plus you want to be balanced for the times you'll shove as a bluff Why do we want to be balanced? |
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« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2011, 09:56:20 AM » |
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Alex is pointing out that attention to detail is more important when answering these things..
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« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2011, 10:11:42 AM » |
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Always thought u were a weak ass mofo. I mean look at ya....
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« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2011, 10:32:44 AM » |
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shoving a range of 22+ A2s+ A8o+ K4s+ KTo+ Q7s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo T8s+ 98s 87s here with this stack
Why this range? because these hands are good hands to steal the blinds and antes with since they will have decent equity when called? maybe can be tighter on the suited kings and queens but apart from that it'd be my default |
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