Am I a piss weak mofo!?!?

[cambridgealex]

Alex is pointing out that attention to detail is more important when answering these things..

phew glad someone got it.

[mulhuzz]

Alex is pointing out that attention to detail is more important when answering these things..

phew glad someone got it.

unexplotable is just what I say when I want to justffy a shove but if I say it's unexploitable someone will call bs

[pokerfan]

Stage fright ?

Alex you passed the same hand in the co in the one you won for ~15 bbs, was Ft maybe 6 handed, can you remember ?

[cambridgealex]

Stage fright ?

Alex you passed the same hand in the co in the one you won for ~15 bbs, was Ft maybe 6 handed, can you remember ?

it was KTsuited but yeh, probably was a shove also. i was also a weak mofo for folding that!

in my defence, it wasn't parsley so a better fold imo.

[pokerfan]

Stage fright ?

Alex you passed the same hand in the co in the one you won for ~15 bbs, was Ft maybe 6 handed, can you remember ?

it was KTsuited but yeh, probably was a shove also. i was also a weak mofo for folding that!

in my defence, it wasn't parsley so a better fold imo.

Whats the order  >>> >> >>   ?

[Royal Flush]

shoving a range of 22+ A2s+ A8o+ K4s+ KTo+ Q7s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo T8s+ 98s 87s here with this stack

Why this range?

because these hands are good hands to steal the blinds and antes with since they will have decent equity when called? maybe can be tighter on the suited kings and queens but apart from that it'd be my default

Why shove the topend of your range, surely raise call is better?

[cambridgealex]

shoving a range of 22+ A2s+ A8o+ K4s+ KTo+ Q7s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo T8s+ 98s 87s here with this stack

Why this range?

because these hands are good hands to steal the blinds and antes with since they will have decent equity when called? maybe can be tighter on the suited kings and queens but apart from that it'd be my default

Why shove the topend of your range, surely raise call is better?

for balance

[action man]

shoving a range of 22+ A2s+ A8o+ K4s+ KTo+ Q7s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo T8s+ 98s 87s here with this stack

Why this range?

because these hands are good hands to steal the blinds and antes with since they will have decent equity when called? maybe can be tighter on the suited kings and queens but apart from that it'd be my default

Why shove the topend of your range, surely raise call is better?

for balance

no need to balance against pigeons you will play 100 hands a year with. You only need to balance here if you have already built up history with the opponents, wherby they have seen you in this spot shove weak and raise/call the top-end which we probably don't have.

[Royal Flush]

shoving a range of 22+ A2s+ A8o+ K4s+ KTo+ Q7s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo T8s+ 98s 87s here with this stack

Why this range?

because these hands are good hands to steal the blinds and antes with since they will have decent equity when called? maybe can be tighter on the suited kings and queens but apart from that it'd be my default

Why shove the topend of your range, surely raise call is better?

for balance

no need to balance against pigeons you will play 100 hands a year with. You only need to balance here if you have already built up history with the opponents, wherby they have seen you in this spot shove weak and raise/call the top-end which we probably don't have.

I think Alex was levelling, Trigg is of course spot on.

[cambridgealex]

shoving a range of 22+ A2s+ A8o+ K4s+ KTo+ Q7s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo T8s+ 98s 87s here with this stack

Why this range?

because these hands are good hands to steal the blinds and antes with since they will have decent equity when called? maybe can be tighter on the suited kings and queens but apart from that it'd be my default

Why shove the topend of your range, surely raise call is better?

for balance

no need to balance against pigeons you will play 100 hands a year with. You only need to balance here if you have already built up history with the opponents, wherby they have seen you in this spot shove weak and raise/call the top-end which we probably don't have.

I think Alex was levelling, Trigg is of course spot on.

there were decent players in the blinds who're defo going to notice if we're raising out of a 10bb stack instead of shoving. look sooo strong.

[action man]

we aint got 10 bigs yo. we got 230k @ 8/16k

[EvilPie]

we aint got 10 bigs yo. we got 230k @ 8/16k

+ I've already raise folded to the big aggro stack a couple of times.

As I've said I felt that his calling range was pretty much every hand that beats me. He isn't calling with worse.

There's maybe a couple of very weak aces that he folds and really bad pairs but that's about it.

His shoving range obviously includes all the hands that beat me but also a lot more that I beat and even crush. If we're prepared to get it in surely it's better to open up his range?

Against weaker opposition I'm almost certain I'd have shoved. Against this guy with loads of chips, probably 1.5M at the time I didn't really like it.

I considered shoving obviously but then decided that playing for 24 hours to spew a reasonable stack with KJ was a bit silly.

I then considered raise calling for the reasons above. I think my stack still had one more raise/fold left in it so he'd definitely think he had FE.

At the time I elected the safe route but my afterthoughts were that raise >>>>> shove >>>>> fold.

[cambridgealex]

We don't want him to shove though. We don't want him to shove hands like QT, Ax, small pairs, even hands like 98ss - hands that have lots of equity vs us. We don't want to be in an allin situation vs these hands.

When we shove we want him to fold, let that not be misunderstood. We'd like the 16k + 8k + antes which'll add around 10-15% to our stack without showdown. The only reason we choose KJs to shove rather than 72o, is that when called, KJs is a pretty decent hand and has tons more equity than 72o.

Shove>>>>Raise/call imo.

[cambridgealex]

These preflop situations aren't like river bets, where you're either betting for value (so have in your head the worse hands that your opponent might call you with), or as a bluff (and you have in mind some better hands your opponent might fold).

[action man]

yeh with KJss shove loads better than raise/call, i was talking about the top of his range