Keeper sent off for kicking pitch invader

[RED-DOG]

kinda like the burglar/homeowner stance and the Tony Martin incidence, im as right wing as you could possibly be in the latter situation. (i think its perfectly reasonable to shoot someone burgling you in cold blood and not lose a wink of sleep over it) In the first instance I don't think its callous to punch the guy in the head several times and the only problems with the kicks is that they didn't connect properly. Anyone who crosses the line (literally) into an arena they know they are forbidden from should face a reprimand. Only when the invader slipped out of consciousness would I feel any further attacks to be OTT.

In before the rest of the have-a-go's who claim they would happily kill any intruder who trespassed their doorstep. Shoot and then ask questions later. The Met needs more guys like you these days.

wouldnt be a have a go hero, would just be too scared not to, fight vs flight is very complex and dangerous.

Most do the third option (which is often overlooked, but is many an animals initial response to danger), which is freeze.

I tried the 'freeze' option once while being confronted by a Neanderthal for accidentally chatting up his burd outside a nightclub.

I ended up with a huge fat lip. Afterwards, my mate asked "why didn't you duck? you daft bastard."

[Rod Paradise]

Dutch FA have rescinded the Red Card - and their Justice Minister has applauded the keeper. They seem quite sensible these Dutch... wonder why I had the impression they were bald & daft??

[action man]

kinda like the burglar/homeowner stance and the Tony Martin incidence, im as right wing as you could possibly be in the latter situation. (i think its perfectly reasonable to shoot someone burgling you in cold blood and not lose a wink of sleep over it) In the first instance I don't think its callous to punch the guy in the head several times and the only problems with the kicks is that they didn't connect properly. Anyone who crosses the line (literally) into an arena they know they are forbidden from should face a reprimand. Only when the invader slipped out of consciousness would I feel any further attacks to be OTT.

In before the rest of the have-a-go's who claim they would happily kill any intruder who trespassed their doorstep. Shoot and then ask questions later. The Met needs more guys like you these days.

wouldnt be a have a go hero, would just be too scared not to, fight vs flight is very complex and dangerous.

Most do the third option (which is often overlooked, but is many an animals initial response to danger), which is freeze.

I tried the 'freeze' option once while being confronted by a Neanderthal for accidentally chatting up his burd outside a nightclub.

I ended up with a huge fat lip. Afterwards, my mate asked "why didn't you duck? you daft bastard."

aftertiming of the highest order

[kinboshi]

Dutch FA have rescinded the Red Card - and their Justice Minister has applauded the keeper. They seem quite sensible these Dutch... wonder why I had the impression they were bald & daft??

Thought that was the Scots?

[gatso]

if a player fighting back is a red card then I have a plan

gonna ship in a non supporter every game who doesn't care about getting banned, wait til the oppo have made all their substitutions then get them to run on the pitch and square up to the keeper and get him sent off

we could have a whip round in the pub beforehand to pay them

that's gotta be worth a lot of points over the course of a season

[kinboshi]

if a player fighting back is a red card then I have a plan

gonna ship in a non supporter every game who doesn't care about getting banned, wait til the oppo have made all their substitutions then get them to run on the pitch and square up to the keeper and get him sent off

we could have a whip round in the pub beforehand to pay them

that's gotta be worth a lot of points over the course of a season

Don't target a Liverpool forward though - they'll miss with their retaliation.

[gatso]

don't worry, the plan is to target keepers only, that's why we're going to wait til after all 3 subs have been made

[kinboshi]

don't worry, the plan is to target keepers only, that's why we're going to wait til after all 3 subs have been made

Same goes for Reina then.  We have Suarez who can go in goal.

[Josedinho]

don't worry, the plan is to target keepers only, that's why we're going to wait til after all 3 subs have been made

What's the plan if 3 aren't made or you're 3-0 down by the time they are? Surely targeting star player is 1st min is the +ve play?

[gatso]

don't worry, the plan is to target keepers only, that's why we're going to wait til after all 3 subs have been made

What's the plan if 3 aren't made or you're 3-0 down by the time they are? Surely targeting star player is 1st min is the +ve play?

we're terrible against 10 men, never seem to press home the advantage so I think we're going to benefit more by getting an outfield player in goal. it's not going to work every game because of the reasons you state but I think we'll pick up enough points to make it worthwhile

[Simon Galloway]

Going back to the first vid, I will explain my comments. 

I am usually fairly right wing on a lot of this stuff along the generic lines of struggling to be comfortable with criminals getting benefit from the protection of the law that they are happy to break when it suits their purpose."

In my teens/twenties I played my fair share of pub league football, trained full contact and also found myself in the occasional Saturday night 'bad spot'. 

During all of that, I echo the comment about "freeze" - most do, (including, to my enjoyment, many brown belts)  not many are truly comfortable when fists are flying and danger is present.  I have won just about every such single encounter, sometimes by up to about 50 yards. 

Had I been that keeper, the time I first becomes aware of the invader when that close charging me, I would have kicked him as hard as I possibly could.  If it did him internal organ damage, too bad.  However, at that point, he really isn't a danger.  He isn't looking to get up, he isn't looking to reach into his pocket.  I can either choose to watch him closely (maintaining a verbal commentary indicating what happens if he moves) for the few seconds it will take the stewards to get there or I can just run away.  I think he has ample opportunity to do either.  Just repeatedly kicking (and yes, with terrible technique for a footballer) a guy on the ground who isn't an immediate threat is not on.

[Raman]

I think adrenalin kicks in on these occasions. 

Speaking as someone who wouldn't run away from a confrontation if someone brings it to me they best be prepared for the biggest kicking of their lives.  I don't advocate going out and randomly attacking people, but having been in situations before were I have been attacked or its kicked off around me after you throw that first one its hard just to stop unless you know you have KO'd the perpetrator.

I was reading other day that an England fan who attacked a Welsh fan at the football was jailed other day for 3 years after the guy died, the difference with this is the England fan just attacked the other bloke for no reason and deserved that punishment plus more in my opinion. 

[nirvana]

Going back to the first vid, I will explain my comments. 

I am usually fairly right wing on a lot of this stuff along the generic lines of struggling to be comfortable with criminals getting benefit from the protection of the law that they are happy to break when it suits their purpose."

In my teens/twenties I played my fair share of pub league football, trained full contact and also found myself in the occasional Saturday night 'bad spot'. 

During all of that, I echo the comment about "freeze" - most do, (including, to my enjoyment, many brown belts)  not many are truly comfortable when fists are flying and danger is present.  I have won just about every such single encounter, sometimes by up to about 50 yards. 

Had I been that keeper, the time I first becomes aware of the invader when that close charging me, I would have kicked him as hard as I possibly could.  If it did him internal organ damage, too bad.  However, at that point, he really isn't a danger.  He isn't looking to get up, he isn't looking to reach into his pocket.  I can either choose to watch him closely (maintaining a verbal commentary indicating what happens if he moves) for the few seconds it will take the stewards to get there or I can just run away.  I think he has ample opportunity to do either.  Just repeatedly kicking (and yes, with terrible technique for a footballer) a guy on the ground who isn't an immediate threat is not on.

Dishing out a merciless beating or head kicking to anyone is beyond the pale for me - I aint no street fighting man.

But, a couple of 'righteous indignation' and lesson kicks to the body seems perfectly reasonable I think. Plus, if you're in a state of heightened anxiety from being attacked in what are very unusual circumstances, I think that's mitigation. Innocent of all charges

[celtic]

Going back to the first vid, I will explain my comments. 

I am usually fairly right wing on a lot of this stuff along the generic lines of struggling to be comfortable with criminals getting benefit from the protection of the law that they are happy to break when it suits their purpose."

In my teens/twenties I played my fair share of pub league football, trained full contact and also found myself in the occasional Saturday night 'bad spot'. 

During all of that, I echo the comment about "freeze" - most do, (including, to my enjoyment, many brown belts)  not many are truly comfortable when fists are flying and danger is present.  I have won just about every such single encounter, sometimes by up to about 50 yards. 

Had I been that keeper, the time I first becomes aware of the invader when that close charging me, I would have kicked him as hard as I possibly could.  If it did him internal organ damage, too bad.  However, at that point, he really isn't a danger.  He isn't looking to get up, he isn't looking to reach into his pocket.  I can either choose to watch him closely (maintaining a verbal commentary indicating what happens if he moves) for the few seconds it will take the stewards to get there or I can just run away.  I think he has ample opportunity to do either.  Just repeatedly kicking (and yes, with terrible technique for a footballer) a guy on the ground who isn't an immediate threat is not on.

A great theory post, but in reality, it's never gonna happen that way. If someone attacks you, then its natural instinct to defend yourself, you simply don't get the guy on the floor and leave him. Just doesnt happen that way IRL.

[Simon Galloway]

I would say that most trained fighters would disable and disappear.