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« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2011, 02:07:57 AM » |
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kinda suprised for the love of 3b pre tbh, reads on co and sb would surely be the deciding factor?
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« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2011, 11:58:37 AM » |
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kinda suprised for the love of 3b pre tbh, reads on co and sb would surely be the deciding factor?
there 4betting habbits would be the biggy for me, default its a call for sure. |
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« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2011, 03:37:34 PM » |
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Def betting flop with the backdoors, you need to pot call now and it's not close. 7x is more interesting.
Yeh this was my thought process so u think pot getting in on turn is +EV now? There's 700 in the pot and you have 1k behind. Breakeven equity on a shove is 37%. You're flipping vs Kx+hh, have between 35-42% vs two pair combos, 30ish% vs two pair+hh and low 20s vs sets. Worst case scenario average equity when called is like low thirties meaning they need to fold about 1/5 of the time to make pot calling profitable. I know it's boring and I'm an absolute n00b, but could someone break this down into a calculation? I'm not doubting Patonious for a second, but at the same time I'm simply not following. Understand why we have x% vs some hands, but not why we're breaking even so often. Breakeven equity = Amt Wagered/Post size when called*100 = 1000/2700*100= 37%. To get equities for different parts of his range go to propokertools.com and put in various combinations vs your hand on this board. In this example I simply took different parts of his range and made an educated guess at our average equity when called. If this were holdem, you could plug a range in to pokerstove and get an accurate average equity pretty quickly. In PLO it's a lot more tedious and I often come out with errors and make mistakes, it might take me an afternoon to get all the syntax correct in PPT. Now I know for sure this is a clear bet call so not really interested in doing that. Finally to work out how much villain has to fold: EV when called = Avg equity when called/Total pot size - Amt wagered = 32(my approximation)/100*2700 = 864 864-1000 = -136. EVc = -136. When they fold to our bet we win +700. To calculate how much they need to fold we do EVc/EVf*100 = 136/700 = 19.5%. Hope that's clear/helps. Surprised nobody noticed but I messed this up. There isn't 1k left in stacks ott there is 1468. Breakeven equity = 700+1468*2 = 3636. 1468/3636*100= 40%. |
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« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2011, 04:01:09 PM » |
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SuuPRlim
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« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2011, 09:05:42 PM » |
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Surprised nobody noticed but I messed this up. There isn't 1k left in stacks ott there is 1468.
Breakeven equity = 700+1468*2 = 3636. 1468/3636*100= 40%.
I just didn't wanna embarrass you mate |
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SuuPRlim
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« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2011, 09:08:56 PM » |
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Odd's Oracle from PPT does this and it's an AWESOME piece of software, I've looked at both and I think the PPT one is slightly better (maybe a LITTTLE more complex to use) but the range building functions are so good when you get the hang of it you can build complex ranges very quickly. Pretty essential piece of kit imo |
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Skgv
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« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2011, 12:36:05 AM » |
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the originial question u asked is what to do turn correct? after knowiing that you 3 bet pre flop which is fine imo if you also 3 bet non aa hands but thats another matter but after the way hand played out i defintely goin to check turn an hope for a free river card. |
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SuuPRlim
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« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2011, 01:55:45 AM » |
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there are way way better non AA hands to 3bet than this hand
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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2011, 04:00:55 AM » |
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Yeh there are loads of better non AA hands to 3 bet here but i still like 2 3bet aces here 2. I ended up potting the turn and i got in against both players they both had top 2 which suprised me! I had no trouble rivering a straight though  |
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« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2011, 04:10:21 AM » |
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I had no trouble rivering a straight though Mathew Perry ladies and gentlemen |
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« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2011, 09:26:47 AM » |
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Yeh there are loads of better non AA hands to 3 bet here but i still like 2 3bet aces here 2. I ended up potting the turn and i got in against both players they both had top 2 which suprised me! I had no trouble rivering a straight though you played the hand bad as u must of been behind on flop an they played even worse by not reraisng flop! Lucky ! |
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« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2011, 10:25:07 AM » |
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Yeh there are loads of better non AA hands to 3 bet here but i still like 2 3bet aces here 2. I ended up potting the turn and i got in against both players they both had top 2 which suprised me! I had no trouble rivering a straight though you played the hand bad as u must of been behind on flop an they played even worse by not reraisng flop! Lucky ! So sick how your pockets are full!  |
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SuuPRlim
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« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2011, 12:12:40 PM » |
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chk/folding the turn would be a disaster, chk/calling would be equally as big a disaster
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« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2011, 06:58:03 PM » |
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chk/folding the turn would be a disaster, chk/calling would be equally as big a disaster
Disagree! |
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« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2011, 02:48:55 AM » |
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chk/folding the turn would be a disaster, chk/calling would be equally as big a disaster
Disagree! look at rob's basic maths stuff, potting the turn makes up more money than folding....hard fact ! Hope you had a good christmas Mr. Big Charra, you going to wpt dublin ?? x |
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