Strange turn spot with bottom two vs reg

[DMorgan]

Fold pre

Lead the flop, if he's a good aggro reg I'd expect his range that continues vs a flop donk is much wider than his the range of hands he cbets J87cc with.

As played this is really gross obv. I agree with pleno that your turn sizing should be bigger, but villains turn sizing is strange too. If he had the big diamond combo draw I'd expect him to make it ~68 so he can happily click the call button if you jam. This sizing makes me think that he's more polarised than he would be with a bigger sizing. Also I don't really think that he's gunna expect you to go nuts on a board texture that kinda smashes your peeling range pre when you're only 100 deep unless you have a ridic dynamic. At least not enough for him to 3bet bluff this turn.

I'd go with fold and don't tell anyone

[Dubai]

Hate all the "donk" lines- no-one donks light so whats the point? I have a zero donking range and im fine with it

[cambridgealex]

OK, glad to see everyones got a few different POVs with regards to every street. Some saying fold, some saying raise, some saying call the turn. Fold pre is an option, I think I'm with Keys, that'll I'd call 76ss and that's it - nothing worse. If my view of him being a strong reg was a bit more solid then I'd lean towards fold - for now, I just see him as being a decent winning player, but nothing concrete to suggest he's a sicko.

I agree that donking the flop is definitely best, I never donk in these games, but I'm reasonably new to them so now I've got a feel for how the games play and the way people think on the internet I'm gonna start donking more. It's something I used to do a lot when playing heads up so it's nothing new.

Anyway, I decided he was pretty polarised ott and that CALLING was best. So I called, and the river came the interesting .

The pot was 135 and he has 125 back.

I thought at this point, there's nothing in his range that can call a jam now. Even KJ or KK the value hands he's repping can't call. He vvvrarely has clubs and I would hate life if I checked and he jammed, also my hand looks like it could easily be a flush.

So I jammed and he instafolded. Strange huh?

[Mondeoman]

I also pretty much never donk lead any flops.  Think this hand and this board is especially bad to donk.  If i donk lead this flop i obv dont want a fold, but also i really dont like getting raised.  So im only slightly happy if he calls and even then its not a great spot as theres so many turns and rivers where i can get bluffed off my hand.  By donk leading the flop you're just filtering out all his really weak hands.

[DMorgan]

theres so many turns and rivers where i can get bluffed off my hand.

By donk leading the flop you're just filtering out all his really weak hands.

If we think that he's capable of pulling credible bluffs that will result in us folding the best hand too often on this board but he'll play straightforwardly vs a donk then surely we should always donk?

I just think its the most +EV play vs a reg that is aware of board textures and when he should/shouldn't be cbetting a high frequency. Its not like we're ever losing value because if his cbetting range contains little air then all of the hands that he'd cbet are still going to continue vs a donk bet.

[WotRTheChances]

fwiw I'd fold preflop. I don't think these hands show a lot of scope for profit 100bigs deep OOP vs good players. 67s 87s 97s etc are all hands id classify as "just not good enough to peel" and use these as the "top" of my light 3betting range

this.

Personally I lead this flop a lot and as played i fold now

[SuuPRlim]

whats weird is I am actually an advocate of the donk lead in loads of spots, but I don't want to donk here I wanna c/call and can't think why we shouldn't tbh

[muckthenuts]

I also pretty much never donk lead any flops.  Think this hand and this board is especially bad to donk.  If i donk lead this flop i obv dont want a fold, but also i really dont like getting raised.  So im only slightly happy if he calls and even then its not a great spot as theres so many turns and rivers where i can get bluffed off my hand.  By donk leading the flop you're just filtering out all his really weak hands.

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The above texture is wet and the guys a reg so I think if we donk here we're protecting our future donks and can start taking a lot more pots down. We can start leading straight draws and flush draws, one pair hands that don't wanna give another card (for example 76 here) and pair + gutshots that he'll have to give up on as well as our monsters. We'll want a fold sometimes. 

[Pugwashed]

Almost certain this is a 3b or fold pre, pretty sure flatting this would be losing money out of the small blind. I'd always expect him to bet the flop with clubs,  / might be his only bluffs. Value range of KK/KJ as sets/straights never check back this flop. I think leading turn as played is good. I think I'm folding to the turn 3b but I might call then call most non-diamond rivers