£2 £5 blinds Vic card room (Missed Value ?)

[Skgv]

Is the question which hand to put our call in with? Anything else here would be very bad.

+1

3betting the flop would be a complete disaster. Folding a bit too nitty, only leaves a call and a plan to proceed somewhat cautiously in the face of multi-street aggression (in essence we are going to be bluff catching and if he bets turn/river on non club cards I'd strongly consider folding unless you genuinely give him credit for going off for 1200/1500 with a flush draw here, which a lot of people just odnt do)

If you get 600 bigs in on this flop the bottom of your range should be 88 imo.

I'd strongly consider folding the turn - he doesn't c/r the flop with KJ imo so his range still is Xc 88 or 66, maybe also. true there is more flush draw combo's but he doesnt ALWAYS play his draws aggro liek this but he always plays his sets like this (spose there is a small chance he has 86 as well but meh)

one thing though, if we call and the river is a club and he checks I think it's a spot we really need to consider bluffing

Really i was praying no club to come on the turn so obv if i i get to river im hoping the same an folding was never my option as i seem to leveled myself to thinking he would want to show me a bluff again. We were playing plenty deep enough an in my expierence solid players like him an me (well i used to be) can spazz out at times an try to become artists at poker which can lead to a messy canvas! If was giving him credit for a real hand clubs was the only logical choice.

[SuuPRlim]

I gathered from your OP that he'd be much LESS likely to bluff vs you?

without that then calling down is pretty stnd I think and bluffing clubs a bit spewy. And yeah ofc praying for no clubs, praaying for an offsuit K I believe

You going to be at manc for GUKPT Mr. Charrrraralalambambabos?

[Skgv]

I gathered from your OP that he'd be much LESS likely to bluff vs you?

without that then calling down is pretty stnd I think and bluffing clubs a bit spewy. And yeah ofc praying for no clubs, praaying for an offsuit K I believe

You going to be at manc for GUKPT Mr. Charrrraralalambambabos?

I think thats a mindset i have to clear from my mind an play everyhand the right way rather than thinking they are less likely to do this or that. The friends thing is a distraction i guess but im a fan of not slowplaying an playing my hands in a fair an proffessional way. Think Manchester is a no no, probs going to stick to cash in London for now but u never know

[SuuPRlim]

I gathered from your OP that he'd be much LESS likely to bluff vs you?

without that then calling down is pretty stnd I think and bluffing clubs a bit spewy. And yeah ofc praying for no clubs, praaying for an offsuit K I believe

You going to be at manc for GUKPT Mr. Charrrraralalambambabos?

I think thats a mindset i have to clear from my mind an play everyhand the right way rather than thinking they are less likely to do this or that. The friends thing is a distraction i guess but im a fan of not slowplaying an playing my hands in a fair an proffessional way. Think Manchester is a no no, probs going to stick to cash in London for now but u never know

What I meant was if he knows anything about you then by the time you've called the turn he should prolly realise he's trying to make you fold a VERY strong hand

[Skgv]

In the end i wanted to raise turn but as i felt he would pass i just smooth called wheres the river was a blank as my gut told me if he was bluffing he wouldnt do anything overcreative an just give up. He CHECKED the river which i was gutted about an i then bet £350 where he thought 4 a 30 secs or so an passed.

The main reason i was askig 4 advice as hand is pretty standard is after the hands were mucked i mentioned i should of reraised the flop or turn! he  then declared he got away cheaply an i missed out on VALUE as he said he had  so flop an turn he had even more outs.

So in hindsight was my play correct or was i unfortunate that i misread him an that i missed out on alot of value ?

[SuuPRlim]

raising the flop would be really bad imo