Grand Prix - Live Reads FTW?!

[jgcblack]

Fair enough all..

Obviously he had a winning   in the end.. Im trying not to be RO but can't see how I can play the hand except to try n get it in on the flop.. n I just think it will be hard to get that much in otf because when he makes it 2200 i cant just shove for 17k more can i?  I've seen even the worst players pass big hands when someone else makes a ridiculous overbet.

e.g. Seen a guy check raise for 200bb's into a 10bb pot and OR folded AA on J72 board.. saying 'I dont know what you can have but I guess I fold'.. (raiser obv had JJ and showed, love the fishes! and their logix).


Obviously we're not going to win this hand ever when he turns the magic .. but I'm wondering if it could be us being sickly good on this river if we fold??

I'm really not sure about him having a flush here.. (on phone to Pinchop) but that's probably the only thing that 'makes sense' esp with tiny turn n river bets, and the speech and then the SNAP shove...

just a gross spot.. but hand reading with me sigh calling on the river is a nice and this time, correct live read!  Better get my re-entry out of the ATM then.. nice to be right, costs though!

[EvilPie]

The only concern here is if he folds the flop. It's not a comp to concern yourself with folding none nut houses.

You just got coolered.

If you get it in on the flop he might actually pass. That would be bad because you were winning.

River can possibly be a fold in other comps but not this one.

[WotRTheChances]

Fair enough all..

Obviously he had a winning   in the end.. Im trying not to be RO but can't see how I can play the hand except to try n get it in on the flop.. n I just think it will be hard to get that much in otf because when he makes it 2200 i cant just shove for 17k more can i?  I've seen even the worst players pass big hands when someone else makes a ridiculous overbet.

e.g. Seen a guy check raise for 200bb's into a 10bb pot and OR folded AA on J72 board.. saying 'I dont know what you can have but I guess I fold'.. (raiser obv had JJ and showed, love the fishes! and their logix).


Obviously we're not going to win this hand ever when he turns the magic .. but I'm wondering if it could be us being sickly good on this river if we fold??

I'm really not sure about him having a flush here.. (on phone to Pinchop) but that's probably the only thing that 'makes sense' esp with tiny turn n river bets, and the speech and then the SNAP shove...

just a gross spot.. but hand reading with me sigh calling on the river is a nice and this time, correct live read!  Better get my re-entry out of the ATM then.. nice to be right, costs though!

Seems to be another example of you massively overthinking this spot.

You have identified the table are all 'not competant' and this particular villain doesn't like the fold button. Just raise the flop and you probs just get it in / he calls and then doesn't fold on any turn when you shove. Playing live comps like this, playing strong hands aggressively is massively > playing tricky. 1) People don't like to fold 2) People like to spaz out when people are showing aggression.

[jgcblack]

I tried to get the table going by offering anyone at the table action in 'pair props' at different stakes..

pick any 'pair' and when they come out you're paid by the 'street' it comes on - as long as its 'claimed' on that street.

so I have  and you get paid as follows

Flop
1p/10p/£1

Turn
2p/20p/£2

River
5p/50p/£5

and a bonus if you flop both of your props..of £1/£10/£20


One guy I know comes in for the big version but the rest of the table shit themselves at this idea.. but a smart looking kid comes in for the 'small version' and we're off!

Dude - 
Kid - 

Then after 20mins the kid decides to 'come up' to the big leagues and we get another in...

Other - 

Then obv the kid runs like god and hits 2x flop, 1x turn, 1x river and a BOTH on flop for a total of £29 from each of us... he f*ckin freerolls the event!

Then I'm nocked out in the cooler descirbed in this thread and the action dies.. - boooooooo!



Love it, getting my tourny table in the props!

[cambridgealex]

You'll understand the pain when Rastafish sits in your cash table at 330am for the last 45 minutes of the evening, you're having a great session, nice and quiet and civilised. He suggests playing props, we agree, we play the £5/10/25 version, £50 if you hit both, with double and treble rollovers. He choses kings, 15 minutes later and he's already run golden, hit two in a row meaning he's on trebles for the next hand. Flop Kxx and he turns the which is £150 a man. He goes absolutely berserk.

To make it worse he had Kx in his hand.

[Pinchop73]

#whenwillitend?

[cambridgealex]

#whenwillitend?

indeed

[SuuPRlim]

me and my friend in Vegas were drinking and playing one night and were doing prop suits  of $60 for the flop, $100 for the turn $140 for the river and doubling up everytime the props weren't won (so if we got the flop one one we doubled the turn and river for next hand) and obv if we saw no flop the whole lot doubled, we got it to a point where there was about $600 for the flop, $1k for the turn and about $2k for the river and I was taking red cards...

I got dealt and it folds to me in LP so I raise to 6x try to take it preflop obv, he peels otb + blinds call

flop comes 

I bet $400 he calls

Turn was the 

I bet $1.2k he calls

river was the

I check cos i felt so bad about straight up ironing him out and he tilt slams down...

he tilt quit the game after that hand

#lovethegame

[cambridgealex]

1:07 ALL RED!

[Dubai]

Never understood why in live cash when people bet "props" they get punished for not saying theirs came in??? I mean it makes zero sense, once the bet has been made you should be paid regardless, and why would u ever want people paying more attention at the table to what at best is a pretty dull pasttime. Less attention people are paying the bigger your edge etc, so the whole thing makes no sense to me- and if someone tried to tell me i hadnt screamed out "look theres my props" when they hit, id just help myself to the money off their stack

[jgcblack]

It's all about the tilt factor of someone missing.. You'd be surprised how many people start to tilt a little bit each time they miss.. Esp if they've been 'running bad' in a 0ev game..

Also obv gets the 'gamblers' at the table going.. They only need the smallest of pushes!

People are paying attention to the prop and nothing else, they might even pay less attention to the action since that doesn't concern their prop.  Its like when you look at your watch and then someone asks you the time, a lit of the time you have to look twice. Same psychological theory I believe..

#Lildaveisapropbragginghero!

#ObvrastaFrunsgoodinprops

[SuuPRlim]

#Lildaveisapropbragginghero!

sure am winning lifetime from 0ev gambling

[mulhuzz]

#Lildaveisapropbragginghero!

sure am winning lifetime from 0ev gambling

#needtokeepmoralehighobv

[cambridgealex]

Have to disagree Dubai, like John says, they're great for the game and the fish love em, loosens them up, ppl stay longer cos the game is entertaining, make bad calls in game to see another card if they're on for doubles etc, it's defo good for the game.

Needling ppl when they miss theirs is fun too as well as the tilt factor.

[Dubai]

Yeah never thought of it like that I guess. I'd defo miss mine lol