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« Reply #60 on: January 22, 2012, 12:22:24 PM »

omg lol



Why omg lol?

If it's because of the high standard of shooting i'd suggest that these guys are the elite players in England, practicing a closed skill that they earn a living performing on a day to day basis.

It's not surprising to me that they are shit hot in training.

The gulf in class between high level professionals and decent amateurs (me) has always been something that has interested me.  It's pretty demoralising to watch videos like that and realise just how shit I actually am in comparison though.

 
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« Reply #61 on: January 22, 2012, 12:31:38 PM »

I have been reading quite a lot of articles this week trying to downgrade the spanish football league.

Yes barcelona are the best team in the world. Yes real madrid are fantastic, yes messi and ronaldo are the best two players in the world. Yes xavi and iniesta are the two more glorious players to watch in the world. Yes pique is better than any other defender in the spanish league. Yes casillas is the best gk in the league, yes both of these teams are way way way above anybody else in the league.

No this does not mean it is a shit league and all the rest of the teams in the league are terrible.

Did you know that over the last 10 years a spanish team has won the europa league/uefa cup 4 times? Not bad for a league which only has two teams huh?

I have to disagree with this.

They are undoubtedly excellent against lesser opponents but have twice been found out against Barcelona at their own stadium.

I can't help but dislike them after last weeks El Classico where they scored early and proceeded to spoil the game by kicking 7 shades of shit out of Barca and playing a very poorly executed containment game.  They are a gang with Mourinho the ring leader and Pepe his on-field enforcer.

I used to like the Special One but his overly pragmatic (win at all costs)  approach leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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« Reply #62 on: January 22, 2012, 12:52:12 PM »

omg lol



Why omg lol?

If it's because of the high standard of shooting i'd suggest that these guys are the elite players in England, practicing a closed skill that they earn a living performing on a day to day basis.

It's not surprising to me that they are shit hot in training.

The gulf in class between high level professionals and decent amateurs (me) has always been something that has interested me.  It's pretty demoralising to watch videos like that and realise just how shit I actually am in comparison though.

 

Hey Ricardo,

Yeah I agree with you on almost all parts of your post. Almost any of those goals would be a contender for "goal of the month" if scored on a match day.

I kinda wanted this response so I could bring up the debate about why good trainers don't play good in matches.

I watched Obertan playing for Man U against Newcastle Reserves in a behind closed doors friendly, he was absolutely world class, constantly taking on the majority of our defenders and bagged himself a hat-trick. Now watching him he just doesn't look like he could ever beat a man. I know Ashley COle is better than Jimmy Smith or whoever played left back for Newcastle that day, but it didn't matter who was left back then, thye wouldn't have stopped Obertan. If I remember correctly, Obertan never went out on loan and basically just played reserve team football in front of 30 people.

Take Daniel Sturridge or Tom Cleverly for examples now, they went on loan to teams where the games were scrappy and learned how to  play in hostile atmospheres on less than perfect pitches and as a result have came out way better than Obertan who on his day was every bit as good as them in reserve team football.

Regarding the actual video, I think it is actually quite sad. I watched around 15 U21 videos from training and the players were absolutely amazing. As you say, the best talent in the UK and because of pressure from fans and chairmans, unfortunately most of them will "fail" and play Championship football at best.

It's funny because when you look at what happens when you do give them a chance (Henderson/Welbeck) who were probably two of the least talented guys in the squad, they actually do quite well. One gets sold for 15m and the other one keeps Berbatov and Hernandez out of the second best team in the premiership.

People going to think I'm a geek but I just watched this video.



Really fun highlights to watch and the talent that some of the players posses is absolutely frightening. How many of them will make it? Less than 3 I guess. How many will play for Chelsea in 5 years? Probably 1 maximum.
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« Reply #63 on: January 22, 2012, 12:53:23 PM »

I have been reading quite a lot of articles this week trying to downgrade the spanish football league.

Yes barcelona are the best team in the world. Yes real madrid are fantastic, yes messi and ronaldo are the best two players in the world. Yes xavi and iniesta are the two more glorious players to watch in the world. Yes pique is better than any other defender in the spanish league. Yes casillas is the best gk in the league, yes both of these teams are way way way above anybody else in the league.

No this does not mean it is a shit league and all the rest of the teams in the league are terrible.

Did you know that over the last 10 years a spanish team has won the europa league/uefa cup 4 times? Not bad for a league which only has two teams huh?



I have to disagree with this.

They are undoubtedly excellent against lesser opponents but have twice been found out against Barcelona at their own stadium.

I can't help but dislike them after last weeks El Classico where they scored early and proceeded to spoil the game by kicking 7 shades of shit out of Barca and playing a very poorly executed containment game.  They are a gang with Mourinho the ring leader and Pepe his on-field enforcer.

I used to like the Special One but his overly pragmatic (win at all costs)  approach leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I think any team who is 5 points or more clear of Barcelona at any stage of the season deserves to be called excellent.
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« Reply #64 on: January 22, 2012, 12:54:10 PM »

What are we supposed to be looking at in that video?

All I see are professional footballers sometimes managing to kick the ball in the goal when there are no defenders on the pitch, which is the very very least I expect them to do.
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« Reply #65 on: January 22, 2012, 01:12:36 PM »

I have been reading quite a lot of articles this week trying to downgrade the spanish football league.

Yes barcelona are the best team in the world. Yes real madrid are fantastic, yes messi and ronaldo are the best two players in the world. Yes xavi and iniesta are the two more glorious players to watch in the world. Yes pique is better than any other defender in the spanish league. Yes casillas is the best gk in the league, yes both of these teams are way way way above anybody else in the league.

No this does not mean it is a shit league and all the rest of the teams in the league are terrible.

Did you know that over the last 10 years a spanish team has won the europa league/uefa cup 4 times? Not bad for a league which only has two teams huh?

Loving this thread. This post is just bang on.

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« Reply #66 on: January 22, 2012, 01:31:48 PM »

What are we supposed to be looking at in that video?

All I see are professional footballers sometimes managing to kick the ball in the goal when there are no defenders on the pitch, which is the very very least I expect them to do.

Hey,

I know you are clued up on poker ecology etc not sure if you're a football fan or a "22 men kicking a ball around a pitch for 90 mins" guy.

I think you can see from the game that almost every player is super talented and very comfortable on the ball.

Lets look at the best defence the premiership has ever seen (after Newcastle)



IMO, not one of these would make it in the Chelsea academy and not one of the Chelsea academy defenders will play for Chelsea in 3 years.


So what does this show us? Fantastic, our kids are REAL footballers (whatever that nonsense may mean) but they will never produce on the highest level as to be a world class defender you need a little bit more. It would be super interesting to find out what % of players who develop through academy's in England are defenders. In the past I actually think it was quite alot, and most of the defenders in the prem were English whilst we bought lots of attacking players. Look at the Arsenal team who were undefeated for example, all defenders were English and they spent the majority of the transfer kitty on Henry/Bergkamp etc etc. Ofc we get the odd defender coming through the ranks, but our defence at the last world cup was Johnson (technical fullback who can't defend) Rio (Maybe past it) Terry (Maybe Past it) Ashley Cole (good) there was nobody really challenging these four and they almost picked themselves. The next world cup everybody is going on about our great new players, Wilshire, Cleverly, Sturridge etc all of which who have progressed through the U21 set up and played lower league football/loaned out to poorer teams to enhance their "game experience" but looking at the possible defence we will be fielding in 3-4 years is quite worrying imo.

With the exception of Phil Jones who despite me thinking he is a leader and potentially a very good defender is way off the finished product (Shola Ameobi bullied him last week ffs) I am not filled with optimism about our defensive options.

The current u21 defenders are:

Craig Dawson (who?)
Martin Kelly (Meh)
Adam Smith (Who?)
Joe Bennet (Who?)
Nathan Baker (Who?)
Jo Flanagan (Meh)
Nathaniel Clyne (OK)
Lewis Dunk (Who?)

Now lets look at the teams they have come through..

West Brom, Liverpool, Liverpool, Milton Keynes, Millwall, Crystal Palace.

Ofc its great they are choosing players who aren't in the premier league, but the real fact is there are no goo, young defenders coming through and it could be the downfall of a potential very exciting England team.

It's getting a little TL;DR, but I'll just quickly give you the teams of the midfieldersa in the U21 squad.

Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Villa, Everton, Blackburn, Tottenham.

And the forwards?

Villa, Man United, Newcastle, Watford.


When I was at Southampton the players who I mentioned have broken through from the "best academy in the UK) Dexor Blackstock, Leon Best, Gareth Bale (was a left back, too good a player so they make him a winger Cheesy) Walcott, Chamberlain, Lallana, Surman.. Whats the common trend there? Oh yes, all attack minded attacking midfielders or strikers.
Instead of the top teams spending 50m on a Fernando Torres when they already have Anelka, Drogba et al, perhaps they should start trying to bring through some English defenders.

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« Reply #67 on: January 22, 2012, 01:47:11 PM »

Spurs have Walker and Caulker and Man Utd have Jones and Smalling. City have Richards. All have 10 years playing ahead of them.
Only Cole and Terry of the current defence made it through the big teams.
Maybe it just shows defenders need games and games at whatever level is better than reserve games and being part of a good academy.
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« Reply #68 on: January 22, 2012, 01:58:49 PM »

Spurs have Walker and Caulker and Man Utd have Jones and Smalling. City have Richards. All have 10 years playing ahead of them.
Only Cole and Terry of the current defence made it through the big teams.
Maybe it just shows defenders need games and games at whatever level is better than reserve games and being part of a good academy.

Also CBs especially aren't going to really develop to their maximum until their mid/late twenties with the exception of a few.
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« Reply #69 on: January 22, 2012, 03:32:14 PM »

Kinda backs the point up.

Spurs defence- Walker/Ekkoto, good footballers, great on the ball but very suspect going back. Kaboul who has been an average player for years, all playing behind a world class midfield/forward line.

The fact that they don't let King train all week just so he can play shows the problems they have.

City spend hundreds of millions, but their defence is Lescott and Savic who are both very very average and exploitable, playing behind a truly world class midfield/forward line.

The fact the title is so open this year is because any team can go to Man United and win 3-1 and any team can go to Chelsea and be confident of winning.

When I was younger it was always an absolute certainty Man United (do you see how I say Manchester as if they aren't the only United in the country) would win at home or Arsenal would get three points.

The fact is Man United had Schmeical (sp?) Gary Neville, Stam, Irwin, Bruce et al, and Arsenal built their team from Keown, Adams, Dixon and Winterburn.

Spend millions on attackers sure, but if City had defended well this afternoon they would only have needed 1 goal scorer not three.
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« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2012, 03:38:17 PM »

One of the main reasons I am doing this is because I've had some sad news over the last week.

My Godfather, Barry McQueen passed away on Thursday. He was only 50 and one of the nicest men you could wish to meet.

He was a football journo in his spare time and was respected throughout the internet. He had a really popular blog about Newcastle United where he posted a new feature every month.

He was the kind of family friend that you see once every few months but is extremely close to the family. My Dads best mate.

I was invited to go and play 5 a side with Barry and his friends when I was 14, a 5ft2 kid turned up and these guys were like "Phil (my dad) sorry but we cant let a kid play, its a pretty physical game" my Dad finally convinced them to let me play and I played most weeks for the next couple of years. I always enjoyed playing, but used to look forward most to the drive home with Barry where he would talk so enthusiastically yet accurately about Newcastle United. He spoke with such love as if he was talking about his family. The fact is with most Newcastle fans (similar with Liverpool and others) Newcastle is such as important as your family!

RIP Baz.

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He was on the front page of Newcastles biggest newspaper - The Chronicle. He was such a modest man who would never have expected such a fuss, thousands die everyday and for him to be given this gesture is amazing.

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« Reply #71 on: January 22, 2012, 04:24:36 PM »

Sorry thought your point was that we are producing attacking players (Wilshere, Cleverly, Sturridge) but not producing defenders?
I think the defenders I listed are of the same standard as those. Whether they are going to we "world class" is open to debate but don't think they is an attacker bias.
Now seems that your point was that teams focus on attackers and you can get away with having weaker defenders. Didn't get that from first post so apologies.
Full Backs are also key to attacking atm and that's one of the reasons for weaker defences. I think Corluka is a better defender than Walker but I'd have Walker in my team over him everytime because he more than makes up for the difference with what he offers going forward.
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« Reply #72 on: January 22, 2012, 04:36:33 PM »

I guess this is why Mancini is the best.

Richards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zabaleta, but Mancini picks him for the right games.

Man City vs Man U last week in the cup. Half time getting beat 3-0, Mancini brings on Savic and Zabaleta for Silva and Nasri and boooooom 2 goals.
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« Reply #73 on: January 22, 2012, 05:00:23 PM »

Somebody described Vermalen (sp) as the best centre half in the world. Just flicked on the game and see he is playing LB. Yeah, because Terry would ever play RB for Chelsea, Pique would ever play right back for Barcelona, Vidic would ever play right back for Man U and Collocini would ever play right back for Newcastle.

I see Arsenal are playing 4 centre halfs at the back with Djorou on the other side. Perhaps the nut worst tactic that Arsene Wenger could choose against Man U whose main threat is Nani and Valencia. Oh what just happened? Nani to Valencia?

If they had Dixon and Winterburn.... Oh but Adam would probably be LB right..
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« Reply #74 on: January 22, 2012, 05:02:43 PM »

U know they have no fit right/left backs lol? It's not a chosen tactic! It's just neccessity
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