Golf Betting 2012

[bobby1]

sighhh, my 140/1 shot Ricky Barnes going to get 2nd by the looks of things. Should prob start backing em each way, Crane got 2nd last week and Barnes prob 2nd this week!  

good to see Phil winning tho i guess.

Very frustrating that Rich and he didn't really get short enough to play with either with Phil kicking clear. I am having the same run with Jimmy Walker, I keep backing him on poa  anna greens, he has finished in the top ten in 4 of the last 5 events but not really got into a serious winning position in 3 of those.

 He has played really well at treble figure prices in them but not quite got there. Maybe I need to just bet him to be in the top ten instead.

[sweet potata!]

Isn't 6/5 Europe for the Ryder Cup a ridiculously big price?

Europe will certainly have the best team, so I guess its down to locality and crowd factor really. Medinah is a really good course and usually good players win the big comps there so it all looks set to suit the Euro's.

The worry for me in betting so early is that the US might simply set the course up to suit their team. The longer and wider the fairways the better their chances but if they leave it as it normally is then for me the Euro's should be favs. The one thing that could alter that is the crowds at Medinah create a lot of noise when it is full, remember the shot Garcia hit from behind the tree there in the late 90's when he ended up running and jumping to see where his shot went, the crowd noise was amazing. That stretch of holes can be really intimidating and we saw what happened at Brookline how the teams can react to a really partisan crowd.

Even Tom Lehman, who is probably one of the calmest golfers to play the game was a disgrace in the heat of battle that day, I think it could be a really tough venue to be the 'away' team. Possibly the absolute opposite of having a load of well behaved fans trudging around a field in Wales in the rain.

What was it Torrance said something like "and he calls himself a man of god?"

[The Camel]

Isn't 6/5 Europe for the Ryder Cup a ridiculously big price?

Europe will certainly have the best team, so I guess its down to locality and crowd factor really. Medinah is a really good course and usually good players win the big comps there so it all looks set to suit the Euro's.

The worry for me in betting so early is that the US might simply set the course up to suit their team. The longer and wider the fairways the better their chances but if they leave it as it normally is then for me the Euro's should be favs. The one thing that could alter that is the crowds at Medinah create a lot of noise when it is full, remember the shot Garcia hit from behind the tree there in the late 90's when he ended up running and jumping to see where his shot went, the crowd noise was amazing. That stretch of holes can be really intimidating and we saw what happened at Brookline how the teams can react to a really partisan crowd.

Even Tom Lehman, who is probably one of the calmest golfers to play the game was a disgrace in the heat of battle that day, I think it could be a really tough venue to be the 'away' team. Possibly the absolute opposite of having a load of well behaved fans trudging around a field in Wales in the rain.

I appreciate all that, but 6/5 still seems way too big.

What would your prices be to 100% Phil?

[bobby1]

Isn't 6/5 Europe for the Ryder Cup a ridiculously big price?

Europe will certainly have the best team, so I guess its down to locality and crowd factor really. Medinah is a really good course and usually good players win the big comps there so it all looks set to suit the Euro's.

The worry for me in betting so early is that the US might simply set the course up to suit their team. The longer and wider the fairways the better their chances but if they leave it as it normally is then for me the Euro's should be favs. The one thing that could alter that is the crowds at Medinah create a lot of noise when it is full, remember the shot Garcia hit from behind the tree there in the late 90's when he ended up running and jumping to see where his shot went, the crowd noise was amazing. That stretch of holes can be really intimidating and we saw what happened at Brookline how the teams can react to a really partisan crowd.

Even Tom Lehman, who is probably one of the calmest golfers to play the game was a disgrace in the heat of battle that day, I think it could be a really tough venue to be the 'away' team. Possibly the absolute opposite of having a load of well behaved fans trudging around a field in Wales in the rain.

What was it Torrance said something like "and he calls himself a man of god?"

Yes, that was the Brookline incident when the US players came out on the last day and encouraged the crowd to be as intimidating as possible. Lehman was walking the fairways in between shots and whipping the crowd up, I think he was playing Darren Clarke, who left it to about the 6th hole before speaking to Lehman about his antics. On one hole Lehman holed out and then started geeing the crowd up when Clarke still had to putt.

This was the precursor to the scenes on I think it was the 16th when Leonard holed from the next county to win a hole he looked like losing and the US players and some crowd ended up running around the green and over Olazabal's line.

Torrance was abs fuming and called out Lehman with his' and he calls himself a man of god' quote

[ChipRich]

sighhh, my 140/1 shot Ricky Barnes going to get 2nd by the looks of things. Should prob start backing em each way, Crane got 2nd last week and Barnes prob 2nd this week! 

good to see Phil winning tho i guess.

Very frustrating that Rich and he didn't really get short enough to play with either with Phil kicking clear. I am having the same run with Jimmy Walker, I keep backing him on poa  anna greens, he has finished in the top ten in 4 of the last 5 events but not really got into a serious winning position in 3 of those.

 He has played really well at treble figure prices in them but not quite got there. Maybe I need to just bet him to be in the top ten instead.

yeah, Walker was 1 of the guys i considered too but decided not to bother. Agree tho, betting him to make top 10 could be the way to go.

[bobby1]

Isn't 6/5 Europe for the Ryder Cup a ridiculously big price?

Europe will certainly have the best team, so I guess its down to locality and crowd factor really. Medinah is a really good course and usually good players win the big comps there so it all looks set to suit the Euro's.

The worry for me in betting so early is that the US might simply set the course up to suit their team. The longer and wider the fairways the better their chances but if they leave it as it normally is then for me the Euro's should be favs. The one thing that could alter that is the crowds at Medinah create a lot of noise when it is full, remember the shot Garcia hit from behind the tree there in the late 90's when he ended up running and jumping to see where his shot went, the crowd noise was amazing. That stretch of holes can be really intimidating and we saw what happened at Brookline how the teams can react to a really partisan crowd.

Even Tom Lehman, who is probably one of the calmest golfers to play the game was a disgrace in the heat of battle that day, I think it could be a really tough venue to be the 'away' team. Possibly the absolute opposite of having a load of well behaved fans trudging around a field in Wales in the rain.

I appreciate all that, but 6/5 still seems way too big.

What would your prices be to 100% Phil?

I've just given it proper thought at 100% and as things lie at the moment I would be about

11/10 Europe
23/20 USA
16/1 the Tie

It deffo makes the 6/5 value as it stands now. In fact I cannot see how they will go off bigger than that unless the US set it up off the back tee's with no rough, even that probably won't be enough.

I think the tie is very short with the books. I have traded about 5 of these in running and you never lay it unless it gets much shorter near the end of the event. Pre tourney there just doesn't seem any value in taking their prices that it will land 14-14

[The Camel]

Isn't 6/5 Europe for the Ryder Cup a ridiculously big price?

Europe will certainly have the best team, so I guess its down to locality and crowd factor really. Medinah is a really good course and usually good players win the big comps there so it all looks set to suit the Euro's.

The worry for me in betting so early is that the US might simply set the course up to suit their team. The longer and wider the fairways the better their chances but if they leave it as it normally is then for me the Euro's should be favs. The one thing that could alter that is the crowds at Medinah create a lot of noise when it is full, remember the shot Garcia hit from behind the tree there in the late 90's when he ended up running and jumping to see where his shot went, the crowd noise was amazing. That stretch of holes can be really intimidating and we saw what happened at Brookline how the teams can react to a really partisan crowd.

Even Tom Lehman, who is probably one of the calmest golfers to play the game was a disgrace in the heat of battle that day, I think it could be a really tough venue to be the 'away' team. Possibly the absolute opposite of having a load of well behaved fans trudging around a field in Wales in the rain.

I appreciate all that, but 6/5 still seems way too big.

What would your prices be to 100% Phil?

I've just given it proper thought at 100% and as things lie at the moment I would be about

11/10 Europe
23/20 USA
16/1 the Tie

It deffo makes the 6/5 value as it stands now. In fact I cannot see how they will go off bigger than that unless the US set it up off the back tee's with no rough, even that probably won't be enough.

I think the tie is very short with the books. I have traded about 5 of these in running and you never lay it unless it gets much shorter near the end of the event. Pre tourney there just doesn't seem any value in taking their prices that it will land 14-14

Funny you should say that about the tie.

I made really good money in the early days of betty backing the tie and then laying it running on the final day.

But the market is alot more sophisticated now, and even though there were times when the tie looked a distinct possibility, the odds didn't shorten much at all.

[T_Mar]

question for you bobby... or anyone else for that matter, but following on from what you were saying about course and current form players being backed at bad / wrong prices ... Kevin Na this week seems to be obvious choice being in very good current form and 3/10/25 here in last 3 years... So only question whether price is right?

40/1 to me seems fair... and I actually thought it would be a bit shorter, given the reasons you mentioned earlier in thread...

What you reckon? Value? If not, why not, and what price does he become a bet?

thks

[bobby1]

question for you bobby... or anyone else for that matter, but following on from what you were saying about course and current form players being backed at bad / wrong prices ... Kevin Na this week seems to be obvious choice being in very good current form and 3/10/25 here in last 3 years... So only question whether price is right?

40/1 to me seems fair... and I actually thought it would be a bit shorter, given the reasons you mentioned earlier in thread...

What you reckon? Value? If not, why not, and what price does he become a bet?

thks

Hi mate.

I think this is probably the best field they have had at Riviera for ages but it is a course that generally favours players that fade the ball, and that is Na's strength for sure. He likes the poa anna too so everything is in his favour. At 46 on BF I think that is ok as there is a chance one or two of these will be sharpening their games for the matchplay next week. He is certainly playing like he is ready to win and this is a course he loves.

Interestingly Nick Faldo said on CBS on Saturday that at the end of his career he played at Pebble when his game was struggling and he decided the best way to play the course was to hit a fade on most holes. Looking at the final leader board there, Mick, Badds, Na and even Woods are all hitting that shot.

I know this might seem a little contradictory, but given the shape of the majority of the holes and the green type it is one of the comps I would stick closely to strong course form. So 46 Na looks ok to me.

(Edit)...One thing I have to add tho is that the latest forecast for day 1 is strong winds in the morning and easing considerably in the afternoon, I see Na is out early so It might be worth waiting until 2morrow and I will see if there is a change to the forecast

[bobby1]

Weather in the US this week looks good other than strong winds on the first morning. poa anna greens again and with small greens and a fade being favoured, par fives are deffo the scoring holes,.Good length, liking the shape of the course, and this might be crucial if the forecast is the same tomorrow, a late tee time on day one.

The Euro event is pretty dire, the course has  some ridic undulations on some greens so it might pay to look at GIR stats , the rough is very light and the weather looks the same for both sides of the draw. A comp to very easily swerve and maybe have a bet in between rounds, tho I might throw some very small darts at it 2morrow.

After making a complete horlicks of the euro event last week, having only one comp of real interest this week and suffering from a sinus and ear infection I have decided to have a week off and have a few days away. It went along the lines of Geneva or Brussels simply for the reason there are good flights there from ooop north, I decided some sun might be nice instead but canary island flights aren't so good so in the end I look like going to Nottingham for the 150 at DTD!!

The Mrs thinks I am mental, as I almost booked trips to all three of the above and then told here I had changed my mind to Nottingham.

[Karabiner]

Very uninspiring card this week, I was going to give it a swerve myself but couldn't resist a dart @ 300 on Tringale.

That boy's bound to come good soon, he's probably waiting for me to leave him out so he can pounce a la big Phil.

[sweet potata!]

Where is the best place to check someones stats on a specific course or tournament?

I've had a look on the PGA site but i cant see anything like that.

[bobby1]

Where is the best place to check someones stats on a specific course or tournament?

I've had a look on the PGA site but i cant see anything like that.

The easiest way on the PGA site is to select the player, then go to career. It will bring you his results for the 2012 season, if you change the year to 2011, then 2010 etc and it will give you his results for each comp he played in for each season.

[sweet potata!]

Sigh, has no one created something better than that yet.

I was thinking of a site where I could type in 'Nick Watney' for example and then type in a course 'Riviera Country Club' then bish bash bosh, It would tell me how he finished in any tourneys played there, his scoring average etc etc....

[bobby1]

Sigh, has no one created something better than that yet.

I was thinking of a site where I could type in 'Nick Watney' for example and then type in a course 'Riviera Country Club' then bish bash bosh, It would tell me how he finished in any tourneys played there, his scoring average etc etc....

Tour-tips.com does that but you have to subscribe.