BAD FOLD? (PLO)

[GreekStein]

[2:44:58 AM] Greek: GAME #3125410715: Omaha PL $1.00/$2.00 - 2012-01-20 19:38:03
Table Santa Barbara
Server poker12.ipoker.com
 
Seat 1: MakeItRaaiin ($433.91 in chips)
Seat 3: phynethanquz ($385.40 in chips)
Seat 5: luumusukka ($208.65 in chips)
Seat 6: fatmole79 ($240.15 in chips)
Seat 8: chekf0ldx ($361.20 in chips)
Seat 10: AKvsQQ ($154.00 in chips)
 
AKvsQQ: SB $1.00
MakeItRaaiin: BB $2.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chekf0ldx [ ]
phynethanquz: Raise $7.00
fatmole79: Fold 
chekf0ldx: Call $7.00
AKvsQQ: Call $6.00
MakeItRaaiin: Fold 
*** FLOP *** [ ]
AKvsQQ: Check 
phynethanquz: Bet $16.00
chekf0ldx: Call $16.00
AKvsQQ: Call $16.00
*** TURN *** [ ]
AKvsQQ: Check 
phynethanquz: Check 
chekf0ldx: Bet $53.25
AKvsQQ: Call $53.25
phynethanquz: Fold 
*** RIVER *** [ ]
AKvsQQ: Bet $77.75
chekf0ldx: Fold 
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $252.25 Rake $3.00
AKvsQQ: wins $252.25

[Ironside]

I would sigh fold

[TommyD]

Sigh fold if I was playing well.  Spew call when I get stubborn and decide he's buying it repping a flopped set.  Any history?  It's a strong line so readless probably is a fold.

[mulhuzz]

in another thread, dave said something about phynethanquz. is he a fish? does this change villains perspective of your hand strength?

in a vacuum, this is prolly a very close fold given his strong line with no info on tendancies but i do so like to play sheriff so i flick it in and hope he has missed spades and a queen or so.

my other feeling (although this is from FL games, not PLO) is that check-check-donk is sometimes 'oh shit, no other way to win it now, gotta bet it.' dunno if you see that a lot in PLO, but there are all sorts of hands he can continue on turn with that might bluff river. all the pair plus s-draws and spades. 67T etc.

if i think he's capable of turning 67 into a bluff i call here. if it's the first time I've seen this line from him i call sheriff and take a note, other times i prolly fold.

[SuuPRlim]

in another thread, dave said something about phynethanquz. is he a fish?

no, no he's not a fish at all he's just a complete loonbox!

I think cos it's a pretty stnd fold, not too close for me, his line reps a boat perfectly he if somehow gets to the river without one and has the good sense to JAM then WP him not much we can really do cos his range (given the info we have on him) is just full of full houses.

[pleno1]

thoughts on raising flop?

[GreekStein]

thoughts on raising flop?

carcrash

[EvilPie]

I think it's a really good disciplined fold.

I'd have called though.

[mulhuzz]

thoughts on raising flop?

greeky's right in that it's carcrash. if there was some parsley on the flop it's a more attractive proposition against some players.

[Patonius2000]

thoughts on raising flop?

If he cbets too much on these textures (i.e. if we expect him to b/f these multiway) this seems like a pretty good play with these stacks. Particularly given we can clean up our outs vs the player behind and been in the middle in this hand just sucks. Our hand is almost too weak to call the flop with. Obviously it's way better with a green otf though, then we can b/c some turns.

[GreekStein]

thoughts on raising flop?

If he cbets too much on these textures (i.e. if we expect him to b/f these multiway) this seems like a pretty good play with these stacks. Particularly given we can clean up our outs vs the player behind and been in the middle in this hand just sucks. Our hand is almost too weak to call the flop with. Obviously it's way better with a green otf though, then we can b/c some turns.

He was unknown - not a reg.

Do you call or fold Rob?

This was the opinion of one of the guys who also plays in the same games:

[1/21/2012 2:49:56 AM] Stu: AKvsQQ doesn't flop set often coz he doesn't raise bet and call. Flats turn so maybe like 9T with spades. River he can bluff so often vs your check so I would call a lot with no read
[1/21/2012 2:50:31 AM] Stu: He would raise JT on turn so has to be drawing
[1/21/2012 2:51:00 AM] Greek: but he doesnt have enough to make me pass a straight
[1/21/2012 2:51:05 AM] Greek: 77 into 180
[1/21/2012 2:51:27 AM] Greek: and he cant call turn with just a fd
[1/21/2012 2:51:56 AM] Stu: Only hand u lose to imo is quad queens or 9TQ. Mate these donks might think trip queens wins, also if he has no showdown and think u were just firing cuz phyne checked turn he can bluff slot still
[1/21/2012 2:52:36 AM] Stu: Think u win 1/3 enough to make this a call in long run vs no read

[Patonius2000]

Id fold the river yeah, I think your good way < 1/3 the time.

[SuuPRlim]

[1/21/2012 2:49:56 AM] Stu: AKvsQQ doesn't flop set often coz he doesn't raise bet and call. Flats turn so maybe like 9T with spades. River he can bluff so often vs your check so I would call a lot with no read

i dont get this?

[GreekStein]

[1/21/2012 2:49:56 AM] Stu: AKvsQQ doesn't flop set often coz he doesn't raise bet and call. Flats turn so maybe like 9T with spades. River he can bluff so often vs your check so I would call a lot with no read

i dont get this?

Think he's saying the guy would likely raise a set OTF and then bet/call it on the turn. Instead he flats behind flop and calls turn.

Is that the bit you didn't get?

[pokerfan]

[1/21/2012 2:49:56 AM] Stu: AKvsQQ doesn't flop set often coz he doesn't raise bet and call. Flats turn so maybe like 9T with spades. River he can bluff so often vs your check so I would call a lot with no read

i dont get this?

Think he's saying the guy would likely raise a set OTF and then bet/call it on the turn. Instead he flats behind flop and calls turn.

Is that the bit you didn't get?

+AKvQQ is villains sn.