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« Reply #315 on: April 15, 2012, 06:11:48 AM »

Stop loss again...

Just gone back through the session and the biggest hands... Think a couple are semi-spew... there are two that we have really strong hands but we're clearly never ahead.... there's 4 flips and we only win 1.  And KK into AA, and AK into KK vs aggressive opponents... so some of it is fine, but some not.

Need to get pleno sweating me today when I play.  Feels horrid to not be able to win.. but when they don't bluff much/ enough across the board then spotting the bluffers, making a note and treating everyone else as honest until seen otherwise has to be the way forward.


Although, there are some horrible plays/ players doing some ridiculous things... one guy cold called SB to my BTN 3bt with 910o, then check calls a K10x flop... turn is a 9 obviously... check calls again.. and then donk shoves river 8 for 2/3 pot... ofc I call when the draws brick and he magically has 2p.  Well played sir, I hope you enjoy my moneys.

Some other 'playa' decides to donk 24cc on K84, gets raised and calls... turn is a K and now he wants to get his entire stack in after check-min raising and I STILL SHOVE!  #toolsgonatool!


really frustrated right now but still loving the game... just need to work out how to do this!
I will win, I will crush these muppets... I'm already beating up some of the regs pretty bad...

I will win at 25nl on WPT 6max cash games.



good night/ morning.
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« Reply #316 on: April 15, 2012, 08:57:47 AM »

You should deffo get pleno sweating you ,I read a post on ukipt from him ,about how somebody played a hand
They replied thinking he was criticising / pi55 taking ,he then posted an extremely well explained read of the hand ,which showed IMO a very deep understanding / high thought level of the game
Whereas you are still in the shallow end ,
But hopefully as his padowan you will improve gl
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« Reply #317 on: April 15, 2012, 11:26:05 AM »

Wanna hear more about this hand. So he donked with 24 on K84 and you raised right? Then the turn paired the K and he checked and you bet again? and he minraised you? And you went allin?

AS A BLUFF?!?!?!?!?!?

And he called and was good?

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AGAIN!
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« Reply #318 on: April 15, 2012, 03:47:19 PM »

Wanna hear more about this hand. So he donked with 24 on K84 and you raised right? Then the turn paired the K and he checked and you bet again? and he minraised you? And you went allin?

AS A BLUFF?!?!?!?!?!?

And he called and was good?

Need

Facepalm

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AGAIN!

He donks - we know at this level it is one of two ranges...
- either sets/ nuts...
- one pair hands like a 4, 8 or 33-10's..

We raise because they often fold the weaker parts of this range and reraise the strong ranges..

He just calls.. and we now know his range is the weaker side...
- we bet because they will always call the turn but fold to a river shove
- when he check min raises... in this case its never strength...
- I have seen people do this then fold to a shove because "I can never be bluffing!"
- Vs any 4 I have a lot of wins... any 8, Q, A
- Vs an 8 I can hit my big cards...

+ I'll be honest... this line pissed me off!

so yes to facepalm.
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« Reply #319 on: April 15, 2012, 03:55:03 PM »

hey on phone because gf broke her toe, do you want me to post all the feedback from the email on the thread or privately? either is fine for me.

vs the fish shoving the k turn sounds so bad fwiw
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« Reply #320 on: April 15, 2012, 04:11:28 PM »

hey on phone because gf broke her toe, do you want me to post all the feedback from the email on the thread or privately? either is fine for me.

vs the fish shoving the k turn sounds so bad fwiw

POST ITT PLEASE
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« Reply #321 on: April 15, 2012, 04:21:05 PM »

Probably fair ITT... my shame and successes need to be here........              (about to be told off I think)



Just had a decent session, playing much tighter and tried to not make ANY bluffs for more than 20bb's...

Session results...
I won. @ 12.56bb/100 over 1022hands.
(Hmmm........ interesting correlation.)

Had a +ve red line the entire session, I remember a few spots where I bet the river knowing I wouldn't get called because the guy had 'air' or something but tried to squeeze a little value - e.g. Flat AQ inpos and call call on Axxr Xo then he check folds river.


Will have a break now for a bit, then play another 1k hands.. want to get in 3k today.
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« Reply #322 on: April 15, 2012, 06:14:25 PM »

Such a joke....

one attempt at a bluff......... and after cbetting the guy 'trap checks' KK on 10x897 on turn and river and snap calls my bets.

WHY ARENT THEY DOING THIS WHEN I HAVE IT AND STILL BET, AND SHOVE RIVER?



OMG... you'd think im special or something....

when will i learn... not ...... to ...... bluff....Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh???
(oh but "they're exploiting me" or "they're floating to take it away when i check".....)



I'm such a tool.

#stilllovethegame
#goingtogrindtherestofthissession

value hands please?


Where is the sunny mistri of online?
This is so hard to win!
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« Reply #323 on: April 15, 2012, 07:26:20 PM »

hey on phone because gf broke her toe, do you want me to post all the feedback from the email on the thread or privately? either is fine for me.

vs the fish shoving the k turn sounds so bad fwiw

POST ITT PLEASE
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« Reply #324 on: April 15, 2012, 07:42:14 PM »

Well that went well..

Grinded my little socks off and managed to finish +$95.08 - my biggest winning single session of 1000 hands i think.


Feel really good about it.  Had some nice hands.. finally had the AA when someone had the KK's... and I just flatted until he bet all of his chippies!


Played so soild, not even the remotest tiniest bit of spew or bluffage...
(not entirely true, there was 1 successful bluff - I 3bt and bet, bet, shoved on QxxxA.  Was going to shut down on bad rivers, had K10 so I hit a K and i look like i hit an A).


One more session today i think. 
No one is online though.... need someone to talk tooooo!

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« Reply #325 on: April 15, 2012, 09:10:48 PM »

ok here we go.
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« Reply #326 on: April 15, 2012, 09:34:49 PM »

 scared

 


going to be some

 talktothehand idiot


 

no John!

but.... bad beat yawn 


So...


 

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« Reply #327 on: April 15, 2012, 09:48:44 PM »

Hand 1 - http://wt.ag/HB6OZh
Bet flop, we have 4 outs to the nuts, if we check it has to be to c/f, why the hell are we c/calling here? no matter whta dynamics what anything its terrible
turn is pretty OMG, why are we c/jamming the turn?

Hand 2- http://weaktight.com/4577730
Min raise pre as discussed
Why are you calling 3bets with k2??
We have k2 and the board is 639 and we call a bet? we have no back door equity, no nothing?
turn is a 10 and we float again? why? why are you calling 3bets and double floating with k2?
river is a 2 and he jams and we call. not sure if this is serious, but its obvious huge huge huge spew

Hand 3- http://weaktight.com/4577732
just 5b shove.

Hand 4-  http://weaktight.com/4577736
not sure why were 3betting people we describe as all nits with j10 when they open utg, ul postflop

hand 5- http://weaktight.com/4577740
river is just massive spew, i mean really john?

hand 6- http://weaktight.com/4577744
we descirbe everyone as being really nitty, getting in jacks vs utg openers is generally not going to be good, calling and inviting the blinds aling is mch vetter, there are 3/4 of hands like this, and not one where we get it in vs 10s

hand 7- http://weaktight.com/4577748
agan hu8ge spew, we are 3betting a9o vs an ep opener, we can pretty much the nut worst hand in this spot
omg we 5b jam? really? again, this is masssssssssive massive out of control spew

hand 8- http://weaktight.com/4577760
wal :d

hand  9 -http://weaktight.com/4577762
Wtf?!?!?!?! why are we 2x pot jamming the river? what worse calls?

hand 9= http://weaktight.com/4577767
river is ul, but defo raise turn

hand 10- http://weaktight.com/4577769
as discussed i prefer a c/f otr

hand 11-http://weaktight.com/4577771
pre flop is frightening, we have a terrible hand to play a 3bet pot with, turn is a fold too

hand 12- http://weaktight.com/4577773
its a 4x pot shove, we have ace high, please fold Tongue

hand 13- http://weaktight.com/4577774
spew city, he isn't folding

hand 14- http://weaktight.com/4577777
again pre this is like wtf? be normal pls Tongue

hand 15- http://weaktight.com/4577779
gigantic spew, wtf are you doing?

hand 16- http://weaktight.com/4577783
we have the best hand here yes, but this doesnt escape it being one of the worst river lines ive ever seen, seriously, what on earth are you thinking?

hand 17- http://weaktight.com/4577790
bas open, they gonna call big aces and not 3bet and just generally not a gr8 hand

hand 18- http://weaktight.com/4577794
j9 utg, its not even close to being close

hand 19- http://weaktight.com/4577798
i know u may think im being results orientated, but i probably jsut call river, we dont beat nay 9x and he is quite polarised and can fold ax a huge % of the time

hand 20- http://weaktight.com/4577801
again bad spew, pre is probably a check, we're oop, no idea whats going on through ur head on the turn, its 100% enevr a jam.

hand 21- http://weaktight.com/4577802
river is def a fold, but pre is horrific, we have the nut worst hand to be 3betting here

hand 22- http://weaktight.com/4577803
seriously jon this is just unacceptable, its huge huge spew and ur jsut burning money




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There are 22 hands here, about 18 of them are horrificly bad, thats about $500 or 20bis you've spewed and 99% of them are totally un needed. The plays are not even like high level thinking players, they are just complete and utter spew. I know you've put alot of effort into learning and watching videos, can you please tlel me who told you to float oop with 78 on 10104ss and then c/r and jam over the guys 3bet? I want to pay that guy a visit and tell him he owes me $500.

I've read all the dtd stuff and about how you completely crushed etc, without wanting to sound nasty or overly cynical here it feels like you are highly delusional and alot of the owning etc is actually just coolers or spots that worked, it doesn't mean you're a genuis.

I feel at the moment you're probably going to be a -5bb/100 loser at 25nl. The rake is big and combined with this spew its going to be uncontrollable, you just ltierally cannot play this eratically and give this much money away.

You are evidently an intelligent guy and you have more passion from poker than anybody I know, you remind me of myself froim when I was 18, I was almost exactly the same as you. I remember posting a hand on PHA where I cold clal a 3bet, float twice and jam 23dd on some j879k board or something and eveybody disagreeing with me except Alex Martin Cheesy

You really need to address your game, theres really not much I can say to contribute or help apart from just... dont do it. I don't have to go into great depth about why we shouldn't be 3b/5b a9 from the sb vs utg+1 and I don't need to talk about why we are double floating and bluff shoving on bad boards.

You need to take a huge new approach to your game. I'm really unsure about the best way to go forward, at the moment it seems like we are definitely -ev at 25nl. I'd recommend playing 10nl for 1 week, sending me all the hands by next Saturday and I post the same as I have here.

I really don't want to come across as harsh, I like you alot and ofc I want you to do well. I believe in you and sometimes you need a real telling off before you get the aha moment. I hope we can look back on this post in 18 months when you're crushing 400nl and laugh abut it together.


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« Reply #328 on: April 15, 2012, 10:06:03 PM »

Like the diary, much more Poker related and one I can relate to as well. Having moved up from 10NL (sigh), I too play 20NL, (sake of ) but having just read Patricks review, wow, I need to bum hunt and sit on your tables. I by no means beat the game myself but your still having winning sessions with spew like that, hats off, just imagine how much you could be winning if you cut out all that crap?!?!?!

I too have this spew within me but the sooner you cut it out the sooner you'll obviously move up to 50NL.

Believe the fish!!! They wont believe you and you win! Simple as that at that level.

Good luck and sick monitor setup btw!

Neil

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« Reply #329 on: April 15, 2012, 10:32:27 PM »

Poker is all about being one level higher than your opponent.  You don't need to be told again, but seriously like double floating oop and c/jam rivers with air, what's the point?  Players are bad, so just value bet thinly and watch the money come in.  You may have it in your head that regs are 'after' you, but honestly, 'they' just have 'it' way more often than not.  You can't win every pot, and the way you are trying to is just gonna kill your win rate.

Remember, 25NL is not 1000NL, and alot of the plays listed above are spewy, regardless of stakes.  Some of the best advice I've been given is applicable for poker and life:
KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.

Before you 5bet jam a9o aipf vs an utg nit, just remember, 'KISS'.

No doubt you will plug these leaks, keep working hard and crush Smiley
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