An Ape and a notebook, how long will it take?

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For the fans

Results for #realjohnblacktweets

18h Tom Langley ‏@MtSpewmore
check jammed 22 for value on AQT56, turns out i got coolered by 33 #realjohnblacktweets

22h Rupinder Bedi ‏@gb2loose
Just showed a guy that I have an insane edge by getting him to 5 bet pile with kings when I have aces #realjohnblacktweets

22h Tom Langley ‏@MtSpewmore
So i shoved 8x pot on the river on AAKKx repping the quad aces. I got snapped by Ten high. It was good. #realjohnblacktweets

22h Alex Goulder ‏@cambridgealex
Booooom, up $27.16 after huuuge session today :)Bout to flick in a hundo for the grand prix, probs just rofl about tbh #realjohnblacktweets

22h Rupinder Bedi ‏@gb2loose
Just made a hero call. Guys 3rd left nostril hair flexed south instead of west after I stared him down for 8 mins #realjohnblacktweets

22h Alex Goulder ‏@cambridgealex
Bout to put C to bed :p then fire up a big session. Going to play ultra solid I reckon. #realjohnblacktweets

23h Rupinder Bedi ‏@gb2loose
3 bet folded.lol pl. actually 6 bet jammed with 82 where 99% of the time I have aces and got snapped by AQ. WP. #realjohnblacktweets

23h Alex Goulder ‏@cambridgealex
I wonder what Alex Goulder's roi is 1ks REALLY is. I'm sure he's a decent player but come on. #realjohnblacktweets

23h Alex Goulder ‏@cambridgealex
So card dead. Getting lots of big cards which I know most ppl play so I'm waiting for the little cards to push with. #realjohnblacktweets

Lol. Yeah that abuse.

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You asked for me to comment on these hands

1) Pokerstove doesn't lie, it just doesn't, we can sit here and say "He will fold JT on JTT 1.74% of the time" or we can wonder exactly what % of the entire universe our milky way makes up but here's some stuff we cant argue with.

funny part is its actually not..  I probably don't shove A2-A5 or K2-K5, Q2-8, J2-8 etc..

Wouldn't want dominated hands.. much rather jamming 45ss... or 34o.

ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.05 Professional)
Holdem, Generic syntax
PLAYER_1 42:xy
PLAYER_2 20%
5383483776 trials (exhaustive)


All-in Equity



ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.05 Professional)
Holdem, Generic syntax
PLAYER_1 A3:xy
PLAYER_2 20%
4787601984 trials (exhaustive)


All-in Equity


Cliffs: Don't go all in with 42 offsuit, when you get called you're totally fucked and there are no antes, the fact that you're suggesting 42o has more equity in an all-in situation than J8s or A3o is just totally wrong, this shows you've got really no experience at all with pokerstove and it's something if you have any desire to beat poker (speshly online) you just need to know. In the last year I reckon I've spent 1000 hours on equity work, and it's prolly not enough still, get yourself Odds Oracle and just bang hands through it. Seriously important stuff.

2) The AQ hand. Again, numbers all over the place - calling an UTG open with top 35-40% of hands? Do you even know what a top 40% hand is?

For everyone's benefit, here are the 522 combo's of top 40% hands.

AsAh   AsAd   AsAc   AhAd
AhAc   AdAc   AsKs   AsKh
AsKd   AsKc   AhKs   AdKs
AcKs   AhKh   AhKd   AhKc
AdKh   AcKh   AdKd   AdKc
AcKd   AcKc   AsQs   AsQh
AsQd   AsQc   AhQs   AdQs
AcQs   AhQh   AhQd   AhQc
AdQh   AcQh   AdQd   AdQc
AcQd   AcQc   AsJs   AsJh
AsJd   AsJc   AhJs   AdJs
AcJs   AhJh   AhJd   AhJc
AdJh   AcJh   AdJd   AdJc
AcJd   AcJc   AsTs   AsTh
AsTd   AsTc   AhTs   AdTs
AcTs   AhTh   AhTd   AhTc
AdTh   AcTh   AdTd   AdTc
AcTd   AcTc   As9s   As9h
As9d   As9c   Ah9s   Ad9s
Ac9s   Ah9h   Ah9d   Ah9c
Ad9h   Ac9h   Ad9d   Ad9c
Ac9d   Ac9c   As8s   As8h
As8d   As8c   Ah8s   Ad8s
Ac8s   Ah8h   Ah8d   Ah8c
Ad8h   Ac8h   Ad8d   Ad8c
Ac8d   Ac8c   As7s   As7h
As7d   As7c   Ah7s   Ad7s
Ac7s   Ah7h   Ah7d   Ah7c
Ad7h   Ac7h   Ad7d   Ad7c
Ac7d   Ac7c   As6s   As6h
As6d   As6c   Ah6s   Ad6s
Ac6s   Ah6h   Ah6d   Ah6c
Ad6h   Ac6h   Ad6d   Ad6c
Ac6d   Ac6c   As5s   As5h
As5d   As5c   Ah5s   Ad5s
Ac5s   Ah5h   Ah5d   Ah5c
Ad5h   Ac5h   Ad5d   Ad5c
Ac5d   Ac5c   As4s   As4h
As4d   As4c   Ah4s   Ad4s
Ac4s   Ah4h   Ah4d   Ah4c
Ad4h   Ac4h   Ad4d   Ad4c
Ac4d   Ac4c   As3s   As3h
As3d   As3c   Ah3s   Ad3s
Ac3s   Ah3h   Ah3d   Ah3c
Ad3h   Ac3h   Ad3d   Ad3c
Ac3d   Ac3c   As2s   As2h
As2d   As2c   Ah2s   Ad2s
Ac2s   Ah2h   Ah2d   Ah2c
Ad2h   Ac2h   Ad2d   Ad2c
Ac2d   Ac2c   KsKh   KsKd
KsKc   KhKd   KhKc   KdKc
KsQs   KsQh   KsQd   KsQc
KhQs   KdQs   KcQs   KhQh
KhQd   KhQc   KdQh   KcQh
KdQd   KdQc   KcQd   KcQc
KsJs   KsJh   KsJd   KsJc
KhJs   KdJs   KcJs   KhJh
KhJd   KhJc   KdJh   KcJh
KdJd   KdJc   KcJd   KcJc
KsTs   KsTh   KsTd   KsTc
KhTs   KdTs   KcTs   KhTh
KhTd   KhTc   KdTh   KcTh
KdTd   KdTc   KcTd   KcTc
Ks9s   Ks9h   Ks9d   Ks9c
Kh9s   Kd9s   Kc9s   Kh9h
Kh9d   Kh9c   Kd9h   Kc9h
Kd9d   Kd9c   Kc9d   Kc9c
Ks8s   Ks8h   Ks8d   Ks8c
Kh8s   Kd8s   Kc8s   Kh8h
Kh8d   Kh8c   Kd8h   Kc8h
Kd8d   Kd8c   Kc8d   Kc8c
Ks7s   Kh7h   Kd7d   Kc7c
Ks6s   Kh6h   Kd6d   Kc6c
Ks5s   Kh5h   Kd5d   Kc5c
Ks4s   Kh4h   Kd4d   Kc4c
Ks3s   Kh3h   Kd3d   Kc3c
Ks2s   Kh2h   Kd2d   Kc2c
QsQh   QsQd   QsQc   QhQd
QhQc   QdQc   QsJs   QsJh
QsJd   QsJc   QhJs   QdJs
QcJs   QhJh   QhJd   QhJc
QdJh   QcJh   QdJd   QdJc
QcJd   QcJc   QsTs   QsTh
QsTd   QsTc   QhTs   QdTs
QcTs   QhTh   QhTd   QhTc
QdTh   QcTh   QdTd   QdTc
QcTd   QcTc   Qs9s   Qs9h
Qs9d   Qs9c   Qh9s   Qd9s
Qc9s   Qh9h   Qh9d   Qh9c
Qd9h   Qc9h   Qd9d   Qd9c
Qc9d   Qc9c   Qs8s   Qh8h
Qd8d   Qc8c   Qs7s   Qh7h
Qd7d   Qc7c   Qs6s   Qh6h
Qd6d   Qc6c   Qs5s   Qh5h
Qd5d   Qc5c   Qs4s   Qh4h
Qd4d   Qc4c   JsJh   JsJd
JsJc   JhJd   JhJc   JdJc
JsTs   JsTh   JsTd   JsTc
JhTs   JdTs   JcTs   JhTh
JhTd   JhTc   JdTh   JcTh
JdTd   JdTc   JcTd   JcTc
Js9s   Js9h   Js9d   Js9c
Jh9s   Jd9s   Jc9s   Jh9h
Jh9d   Jh9c   Jd9h   Jc9h
Jd9d   Jd9c   Jc9d   Jc9c
Js8s   Jh8h   Jd8d   Jc8c
Js7s   Jh7h   Jd7d   Jc7c
TsTh   TsTd   TsTc   ThTd
ThTc   TdTc   Ts9s   Ts9h
Ts9d   Ts9c   Th9s   Td9s
Tc9s   Th9h   Th9d   Th9c
Td9h   Tc9h   Td9d   Td9c
Tc9d   Tc9c   Ts8s   Th8h
Td8d   Tc8c   Ts7s   Th7h
Td7d   Tc7c   9s9h   9s9d
9s9c   9h9d   9h9c   9d9c
9s8s   9h8h   9d8d   9c8c
9s7s   9h7h   9d7d   9c7c
8s8h   8s8d   8s8c   8h8d
8h8c   8d8c   8s7s   8h7h
8d7d   8c7c   7s7h   7s7d
7s7c   7h7d   7h7c   7d7c
7s6s   7h6h   7d6d   7c6c
6s6h   6s6d   6s6c   6h6d
6h6c   6d6c   5s5h   5s5d
5s5c   5h5d   5h5c   5d5c
4s4h   4s4d   4s4c   4h4d
4h4c   4d4c   3s3h   3s3d
3s3c   3h3d   3h3c   3d3c
2s2h   2s2d   2s2c   2h2d
2h2c   2d2c      

yh we got T9o, J8o, Q4s and all in there that's just way way off. What % of this range bets the flop? 50% you say? Lets not forget that ~20% of this range (8%) is PP's under TT, which he bets pretty much never multi-way. A4o? A3s? 67s? he's betting these hands? Multi-way? With no initiative? The hands of this range he is DEFO betting are all the Jx's.

Range he calls our check raise all in with - we'd planned out the cshove before we checked, we were check folding to UTG+2 but shoving vs btn. (both older gents)
AJ (66% time) KJ (50% time) QJ (33% time) A10 (20% time) J10 (100% obv)
= calling range of 3.2% of all hands or 12% of above range.
Vs this range I have a 27.1% equity

Sorry mate, but you're literally just pulling numbers out of thin air here. This isn't a dig at all, it's just me trying to really drive home the point that you really really need to work on this stuff - it's actually simple once you get your head around it but it's not easy and will take a bit - but if you're just going to guess at numbers like this then there isn't much point in doing it.

I think the problem is (and sorry to say it again) but it's lack of focus - you're annoyed that you know Jack is opening the btn with a non premium range and you'd love a A8s to re-ship on him with but you've got 42o and it's frustrating. This isn't good poker though, good poker is to fold the 42o and not let our impatience force us into making a bad decision.

Same with the AQ, we open, and we really just want to flop a Q and get three sexy streets of value from QT and feel like a champ but we've missed, a player has bet into us 3 way with a range we KNOW is totally Jx dominated but if we make a King (prolly an Ace/Queen also) then we win so we ship it in. It's a lack of composure that is the problem with these hands, in my opinion and it's a problem we all have speshly earlier on in our time playing when we haven't had AS MUCH experience.

Alex made a good point.  Some of the UK's best and most consistent players, John Eames, Jp Kelly, Jake etc one of the reasons they have so much success in tournaments is that they don't ever let lack of focus/concentration bust them from tournaments (obv jake's T4o hand in D'ville is a ridic spew lol but that was 3 yrs ago) but one thing you NEVER see any of these guys do is bust early in tournaments with 0equity hands or awful starting hands because you burn so much equity by doing this. If you start with 15,000 chips in a tournament and go down to 7,000 in the first 4 levels then your equity has pretty much defo NOT been reduced by 50%, prolly barely 20%, so takign huge risks to double up like you have here really is just burning money.

You're coming along well John you really are but it's important to keep a clear head and really try to not get carried away as one of the prime contributory factors to lack of focus is complacency.

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You asked for me to comment on these hands

1) Pokerstove doesn't lie, it just doesn't, we can sit here and say "He will fold JT on JTT 1.74% of the time" or we can wonder exactly what % of the entire universe our milky way makes up but here's some stuff we cant argue with.

funny part is its actually not..  I probably don't shove A2-A5 or K2-K5, Q2-8, J2-8 etc..

Wouldn't want dominated hands.. much rather jamming 45ss... or 34o.

ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.05 Professional)
Holdem, Generic syntax
PLAYER_1 42:xy
PLAYER_2 20%
5383483776 trials (exhaustive)


All-in Equity



ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.05 Professional)
Holdem, Generic syntax
PLAYER_1 A3:xy
PLAYER_2 20%
4787601984 trials (exhaustive)


All-in Equity


Cliffs: Don't go all in with 42 offsuit, when you get called you're totally fucked and there are no antes, the fact that you're suggesting 42o has more equity in an all-in situation than J8s or A3o is just totally wrong, this shows you've got really no experience at all with pokerstove and it's something if you have any desire to beat poker (speshly online) you just need to know. In the last year I reckon I've spent 1000 hours on equity work, and it's prolly not enough still, get yourself Odds Oracle and just bang hands through it. Seriously important stuff.

2) The AQ hand. Again, numbers all over the place - calling an UTG open with top 35-40% of hands? Do you even know what a top 40% hand is?

For everyone's benefit, here are the 522 combo's of top 40% hands.

AsAh   AsAd   AsAc   AhAd
AhAc   AdAc   AsKs   AsKh
AsKd   AsKc   AhKs   AdKs
AcKs   AhKh   AhKd   AhKc
AdKh   AcKh   AdKd   AdKc
AcKd   AcKc   AsQs   AsQh
AsQd   AsQc   AhQs   AdQs
AcQs   AhQh   AhQd   AhQc
AdQh   AcQh   AdQd   AdQc
AcQd   AcQc   AsJs   AsJh
AsJd   AsJc   AhJs   AdJs
AcJs   AhJh   AhJd   AhJc
AdJh   AcJh   AdJd   AdJc
AcJd   AcJc   AsTs   AsTh
AsTd   AsTc   AhTs   AdTs
AcTs   AhTh   AhTd   AhTc
AdTh   AcTh   AdTd   AdTc
AcTd   AcTc   As9s   As9h
As9d   As9c   Ah9s   Ad9s
Ac9s   Ah9h   Ah9d   Ah9c
Ad9h   Ac9h   Ad9d   Ad9c
Ac9d   Ac9c   As8s   As8h
As8d   As8c   Ah8s   Ad8s
Ac8s   Ah8h   Ah8d   Ah8c
Ad8h   Ac8h   Ad8d   Ad8c
Ac8d   Ac8c   As7s   As7h
As7d   As7c   Ah7s   Ad7s
Ac7s   Ah7h   Ah7d   Ah7c
Ad7h   Ac7h   Ad7d   Ad7c
Ac7d   Ac7c   As6s   As6h
As6d   As6c   Ah6s   Ad6s
Ac6s   Ah6h   Ah6d   Ah6c
Ad6h   Ac6h   Ad6d   Ad6c
Ac6d   Ac6c   As5s   As5h
As5d   As5c   Ah5s   Ad5s
Ac5s   Ah5h   Ah5d   Ah5c
Ad5h   Ac5h   Ad5d   Ad5c
Ac5d   Ac5c   As4s   As4h
As4d   As4c   Ah4s   Ad4s
Ac4s   Ah4h   Ah4d   Ah4c
Ad4h   Ac4h   Ad4d   Ad4c
Ac4d   Ac4c   As3s   As3h
As3d   As3c   Ah3s   Ad3s
Ac3s   Ah3h   Ah3d   Ah3c
Ad3h   Ac3h   Ad3d   Ad3c
Ac3d   Ac3c   As2s   As2h
As2d   As2c   Ah2s   Ad2s
Ac2s   Ah2h   Ah2d   Ah2c
Ad2h   Ac2h   Ad2d   Ad2c
Ac2d   Ac2c   KsKh   KsKd
KsKc   KhKd   KhKc   KdKc
KsQs   KsQh   KsQd   KsQc
KhQs   KdQs   KcQs   KhQh
KhQd   KhQc   KdQh   KcQh
KdQd   KdQc   KcQd   KcQc
KsJs   KsJh   KsJd   KsJc
KhJs   KdJs   KcJs   KhJh
KhJd   KhJc   KdJh   KcJh
KdJd   KdJc   KcJd   KcJc
KsTs   KsTh   KsTd   KsTc
KhTs   KdTs   KcTs   KhTh
KhTd   KhTc   KdTh   KcTh
KdTd   KdTc   KcTd   KcTc
Ks9s   Ks9h   Ks9d   Ks9c
Kh9s   Kd9s   Kc9s   Kh9h
Kh9d   Kh9c   Kd9h   Kc9h
Kd9d   Kd9c   Kc9d   Kc9c
Ks8s   Ks8h   Ks8d   Ks8c
Kh8s   Kd8s   Kc8s   Kh8h
Kh8d   Kh8c   Kd8h   Kc8h
Kd8d   Kd8c   Kc8d   Kc8c
Ks7s   Kh7h   Kd7d   Kc7c
Ks6s   Kh6h   Kd6d   Kc6c
Ks5s   Kh5h   Kd5d   Kc5c
Ks4s   Kh4h   Kd4d   Kc4c
Ks3s   Kh3h   Kd3d   Kc3c
Ks2s   Kh2h   Kd2d   Kc2c
QsQh   QsQd   QsQc   QhQd
QhQc   QdQc   QsJs   QsJh
QsJd   QsJc   QhJs   QdJs
QcJs   QhJh   QhJd   QhJc
QdJh   QcJh   QdJd   QdJc
QcJd   QcJc   QsTs   QsTh
QsTd   QsTc   QhTs   QdTs
QcTs   QhTh   QhTd   QhTc
QdTh   QcTh   QdTd   QdTc
QcTd   QcTc   Qs9s   Qs9h
Qs9d   Qs9c   Qh9s   Qd9s
Qc9s   Qh9h   Qh9d   Qh9c
Qd9h   Qc9h   Qd9d   Qd9c
Qc9d   Qc9c   Qs8s   Qh8h
Qd8d   Qc8c   Qs7s   Qh7h
Qd7d   Qc7c   Qs6s   Qh6h
Qd6d   Qc6c   Qs5s   Qh5h
Qd5d   Qc5c   Qs4s   Qh4h
Qd4d   Qc4c   JsJh   JsJd
JsJc   JhJd   JhJc   JdJc
JsTs   JsTh   JsTd   JsTc
JhTs   JdTs   JcTs   JhTh
JhTd   JhTc   JdTh   JcTh
JdTd   JdTc   JcTd   JcTc
Js9s   Js9h   Js9d   Js9c
Jh9s   Jd9s   Jc9s   Jh9h
Jh9d   Jh9c   Jd9h   Jc9h
Jd9d   Jd9c   Jc9d   Jc9c
Js8s   Jh8h   Jd8d   Jc8c
Js7s   Jh7h   Jd7d   Jc7c
TsTh   TsTd   TsTc   ThTd
ThTc   TdTc   Ts9s   Ts9h
Ts9d   Ts9c   Th9s   Td9s
Tc9s   Th9h   Th9d   Th9c
Td9h   Tc9h   Td9d   Td9c
Tc9d   Tc9c   Ts8s   Th8h
Td8d   Tc8c   Ts7s   Th7h
Td7d   Tc7c   9s9h   9s9d
9s9c   9h9d   9h9c   9d9c
9s8s   9h8h   9d8d   9c8c
9s7s   9h7h   9d7d   9c7c
8s8h   8s8d   8s8c   8h8d
8h8c   8d8c   8s7s   8h7h
8d7d   8c7c   7s7h   7s7d
7s7c   7h7d   7h7c   7d7c
7s6s   7h6h   7d6d   7c6c
6s6h   6s6d   6s6c   6h6d
6h6c   6d6c   5s5h   5s5d
5s5c   5h5d   5h5c   5d5c
4s4h   4s4d   4s4c   4h4d
4h4c   4d4c   3s3h   3s3d
3s3c   3h3d   3h3c   3d3c
2s2h   2s2d   2s2c   2h2d
2h2c   2d2c      

yh we got T9o, J8o, Q4s and all in there that's just way way off. What % of this range bets the flop? 50% you say? Lets not forget that ~20% of this range (8%) is PP's under TT, which he bets pretty much never multi-way. A4o? A3s? 67s? he's betting these hands? Multi-way? With no initiative? The hands of this range he is DEFO betting are all the Jx's.

Range he calls our check raise all in with - we'd planned out the cshove before we checked, we were check folding to UTG+2 but shoving vs btn. (both older gents)
AJ (66% time) KJ (50% time) QJ (33% time) A10 (20% time) J10 (100% obv)
= calling range of 3.2% of all hands or 12% of above range.
Vs this range I have a 27.1% equity

Sorry mate, but you're literally just pulling numbers out of thin air here. This isn't a dig at all, it's just me trying to really drive home the point that you really really need to work on this stuff - it's actually simple once you get your head around it but it's not easy and will take a bit - but if you're just going to guess at numbers like this then there isn't much point in doing it.

I think the problem is (and sorry to say it again) but it's lack of focus - you're annoyed that you know Jack is opening the btn with a non premium range and you'd love a A8s to re-ship on him with but you've got 42o and it's frustrating. This isn't good poker though, good poker is to fold the 42o and not let our impatience force us into making a bad decision.

Same with the AQ, we open, and we really just want to flop a Q and get three sexy streets of value from QT and feel like a champ but we've missed, a player has bet into us 3 way with a range we KNOW is totally Jx dominated but if we make a King (prolly an Ace/Queen also) then we win so we ship it in. It's a lack of composure that is the problem with these hands, in my opinion and it's a problem we all have speshly earlier on in our time playing when we haven't had AS MUCH experience.

Alex made a good point.  Some of the UK's best and most consistent players, John Eames, Jp Kelly, Jake etc one of the reasons they have so much success in tournaments is that they don't ever let lack of focus/concentration bust them from tournaments (obv jake's T4o hand in D'ville is a ridic spew lol but that was 3 yrs ago) but one thing you NEVER see any of these guys do is bust early in tournaments with 0equity hands or awful starting hands because you burn so much equity by doing this. If you start with 15,000 chips in a tournament and go down to 7,000 in the first 4 levels then your equity has pretty much defo NOT been reduced by 50%, prolly barely 20%, so takign huge risks to double up like you have here really is just burning money.

You're coming along well John you really are but it's important to keep a clear head and really try to not get carried away as one of the prime contributory factors to lack of focus is complacency.

Someone's not had any since he got back from Vegas obv

[SuuPRlim]

obv

[TL900]

For the fans

Results for #realjohnblacktweets

18h Tom Langley ‏@MtSpewmore
check jammed 22 for value on AQT56, turns out i got coolered by 33 #realjohnblacktweets

22h Rupinder Bedi ‏@gb2loose
Just showed a guy that I have an insane edge by getting him to 5 bet pile with kings when I have aces #realjohnblacktweets

22h Tom Langley ‏@MtSpewmore
So i shoved 8x pot on the river on AAKKx repping the quad aces. I got snapped by Ten high. It was good. #realjohnblacktweets

22h Alex Goulder ‏@cambridgealex
Booooom, up $27.16 after huuuge session today :)Bout to flick in a hundo for the grand prix, probs just rofl about tbh #realjohnblacktweets

22h Rupinder Bedi ‏@gb2loose
Just made a hero call. Guys 3rd left nostril hair flexed south instead of west after I stared him down for 8 mins #realjohnblacktweets

22h Alex Goulder ‏@cambridgealex
Bout to put C to bed :p then fire up a big session. Going to play ultra solid I reckon. #realjohnblacktweets

23h Rupinder Bedi ‏@gb2loose
3 bet folded.lol pl. actually 6 bet jammed with 82 where 99% of the time I have aces and got snapped by AQ. WP. #realjohnblacktweets

23h Alex Goulder ‏@cambridgealex
I wonder what Alex Goulder's roi is 1ks REALLY is. I'm sure he's a decent player but come on. #realjohnblacktweets

23h Alex Goulder ‏@cambridgealex
So card dead. Getting lots of big cards which I know most ppl play so I'm waiting for the little cards to push with. #realjohnblacktweets

Lol. Yeah that abuse.

#realjohnblacklove

[TL900]

You asked for me to comment on these hands

1) Pokerstove doesn't lie, it just doesn't, we can sit here and say "He will fold JT on JTT 1.74% of the time" or we can wonder exactly what % of the entire universe our milky way makes up but here's some stuff we cant argue with.

funny part is its actually not..  I probably don't shove A2-A5 or K2-K5, Q2-8, J2-8 etc..

Wouldn't want dominated hands.. much rather jamming 45ss... or 34o.

ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.05 Professional)
Holdem, Generic syntax
PLAYER_1 42:xy
PLAYER_2 20%
5383483776 trials (exhaustive)


All-in Equity



ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.05 Professional)
Holdem, Generic syntax
PLAYER_1 A3:xy
PLAYER_2 20%
4787601984 trials (exhaustive)


All-in Equity


Cliffs: Don't go all in with 42 offsuit, when you get called you're totally fucked and there are no antes, the fact that you're suggesting 42o has more equity in an all-in situation than J8s or A3o is just totally wrong, this shows you've got really no experience at all with pokerstove and it's something if you have any desire to beat poker (speshly online) you just need to know. In the last year I reckon I've spent 1000 hours on equity work, and it's prolly not enough still, get yourself Odds Oracle and just bang hands through it. Seriously important stuff.

2) The AQ hand. Again, numbers all over the place - calling an UTG open with top 35-40% of hands? Do you even know what a top 40% hand is?

For everyone's benefit, here are the 522 combo's of top 40% hands.

AsAh   AsAd   AsAc   AhAd
AhAc   AdAc   AsKs   AsKh
AsKd   AsKc   AhKs   AdKs
AcKs   AhKh   AhKd   AhKc
AdKh   AcKh   AdKd   AdKc
AcKd   AcKc   AsQs   AsQh
AsQd   AsQc   AhQs   AdQs
AcQs   AhQh   AhQd   AhQc
AdQh   AcQh   AdQd   AdQc
AcQd   AcQc   AsJs   AsJh
AsJd   AsJc   AhJs   AdJs
AcJs   AhJh   AhJd   AhJc
AdJh   AcJh   AdJd   AdJc
AcJd   AcJc   AsTs   AsTh
AsTd   AsTc   AhTs   AdTs
AcTs   AhTh   AhTd   AhTc
AdTh   AcTh   AdTd   AdTc
AcTd   AcTc   As9s   As9h
As9d   As9c   Ah9s   Ad9s
Ac9s   Ah9h   Ah9d   Ah9c
Ad9h   Ac9h   Ad9d   Ad9c
Ac9d   Ac9c   As8s   As8h
As8d   As8c   Ah8s   Ad8s
Ac8s   Ah8h   Ah8d   Ah8c
Ad8h   Ac8h   Ad8d   Ad8c
Ac8d   Ac8c   As7s   As7h
As7d   As7c   Ah7s   Ad7s
Ac7s   Ah7h   Ah7d   Ah7c
Ad7h   Ac7h   Ad7d   Ad7c
Ac7d   Ac7c   As6s   As6h
As6d   As6c   Ah6s   Ad6s
Ac6s   Ah6h   Ah6d   Ah6c
Ad6h   Ac6h   Ad6d   Ad6c
Ac6d   Ac6c   As5s   As5h
As5d   As5c   Ah5s   Ad5s
Ac5s   Ah5h   Ah5d   Ah5c
Ad5h   Ac5h   Ad5d   Ad5c
Ac5d   Ac5c   As4s   As4h
As4d   As4c   Ah4s   Ad4s
Ac4s   Ah4h   Ah4d   Ah4c
Ad4h   Ac4h   Ad4d   Ad4c
Ac4d   Ac4c   As3s   As3h
As3d   As3c   Ah3s   Ad3s
Ac3s   Ah3h   Ah3d   Ah3c
Ad3h   Ac3h   Ad3d   Ad3c
Ac3d   Ac3c   As2s   As2h
As2d   As2c   Ah2s   Ad2s
Ac2s   Ah2h   Ah2d   Ah2c
Ad2h   Ac2h   Ad2d   Ad2c
Ac2d   Ac2c   KsKh   KsKd
KsKc   KhKd   KhKc   KdKc
KsQs   KsQh   KsQd   KsQc
KhQs   KdQs   KcQs   KhQh
KhQd   KhQc   KdQh   KcQh
KdQd   KdQc   KcQd   KcQc
KsJs   KsJh   KsJd   KsJc
KhJs   KdJs   KcJs   KhJh
KhJd   KhJc   KdJh   KcJh
KdJd   KdJc   KcJd   KcJc
KsTs   KsTh   KsTd   KsTc
KhTs   KdTs   KcTs   KhTh
KhTd   KhTc   KdTh   KcTh
KdTd   KdTc   KcTd   KcTc
Ks9s   Ks9h   Ks9d   Ks9c
Kh9s   Kd9s   Kc9s   Kh9h
Kh9d   Kh9c   Kd9h   Kc9h
Kd9d   Kd9c   Kc9d   Kc9c
Ks8s   Ks8h   Ks8d   Ks8c
Kh8s   Kd8s   Kc8s   Kh8h
Kh8d   Kh8c   Kd8h   Kc8h
Kd8d   Kd8c   Kc8d   Kc8c
Ks7s   Kh7h   Kd7d   Kc7c
Ks6s   Kh6h   Kd6d   Kc6c
Ks5s   Kh5h   Kd5d   Kc5c
Ks4s   Kh4h   Kd4d   Kc4c
Ks3s   Kh3h   Kd3d   Kc3c
Ks2s   Kh2h   Kd2d   Kc2c
QsQh   QsQd   QsQc   QhQd
QhQc   QdQc   QsJs   QsJh
QsJd   QsJc   QhJs   QdJs
QcJs   QhJh   QhJd   QhJc
QdJh   QcJh   QdJd   QdJc
QcJd   QcJc   QsTs   QsTh
QsTd   QsTc   QhTs   QdTs
QcTs   QhTh   QhTd   QhTc
QdTh   QcTh   QdTd   QdTc
QcTd   QcTc   Qs9s   Qs9h
Qs9d   Qs9c   Qh9s   Qd9s
Qc9s   Qh9h   Qh9d   Qh9c
Qd9h   Qc9h   Qd9d   Qd9c
Qc9d   Qc9c   Qs8s   Qh8h
Qd8d   Qc8c   Qs7s   Qh7h
Qd7d   Qc7c   Qs6s   Qh6h
Qd6d   Qc6c   Qs5s   Qh5h
Qd5d   Qc5c   Qs4s   Qh4h
Qd4d   Qc4c   JsJh   JsJd
JsJc   JhJd   JhJc   JdJc
JsTs   JsTh   JsTd   JsTc
JhTs   JdTs   JcTs   JhTh
JhTd   JhTc   JdTh   JcTh
JdTd   JdTc   JcTd   JcTc
Js9s   Js9h   Js9d   Js9c
Jh9s   Jd9s   Jc9s   Jh9h
Jh9d   Jh9c   Jd9h   Jc9h
Jd9d   Jd9c   Jc9d   Jc9c
Js8s   Jh8h   Jd8d   Jc8c
Js7s   Jh7h   Jd7d   Jc7c
TsTh   TsTd   TsTc   ThTd
ThTc   TdTc   Ts9s   Ts9h
Ts9d   Ts9c   Th9s   Td9s
Tc9s   Th9h   Th9d   Th9c
Td9h   Tc9h   Td9d   Td9c
Tc9d   Tc9c   Ts8s   Th8h
Td8d   Tc8c   Ts7s   Th7h
Td7d   Tc7c   9s9h   9s9d
9s9c   9h9d   9h9c   9d9c
9s8s   9h8h   9d8d   9c8c
9s7s   9h7h   9d7d   9c7c
8s8h   8s8d   8s8c   8h8d
8h8c   8d8c   8s7s   8h7h
8d7d   8c7c   7s7h   7s7d
7s7c   7h7d   7h7c   7d7c
7s6s   7h6h   7d6d   7c6c
6s6h   6s6d   6s6c   6h6d
6h6c   6d6c   5s5h   5s5d
5s5c   5h5d   5h5c   5d5c
4s4h   4s4d   4s4c   4h4d
4h4c   4d4c   3s3h   3s3d
3s3c   3h3d   3h3c   3d3c
2s2h   2s2d   2s2c   2h2d
2h2c   2d2c      

yh we got T9o, J8o, Q4s and all in there that's just way way off. What % of this range bets the flop? 50% you say? Lets not forget that ~20% of this range (8%) is PP's under TT, which he bets pretty much never multi-way. A4o? A3s? 67s? he's betting these hands? Multi-way? With no initiative? The hands of this range he is DEFO betting are all the Jx's.

Range he calls our check raise all in with - we'd planned out the cshove before we checked, we were check folding to UTG+2 but shoving vs btn. (both older gents)
AJ (66% time) KJ (50% time) QJ (33% time) A10 (20% time) J10 (100% obv)
= calling range of 3.2% of all hands or 12% of above range.
Vs this range I have a 27.1% equity

Sorry mate, but you're literally just pulling numbers out of thin air here. This isn't a dig at all, it's just me trying to really drive home the point that you really really need to work on this stuff - it's actually simple once you get your head around it but it's not easy and will take a bit - but if you're just going to guess at numbers like this then there isn't much point in doing it.

I think the problem is (and sorry to say it again) but it's lack of focus - you're annoyed that you know Jack is opening the btn with a non premium range and you'd love a A8s to re-ship on him with but you've got 42o and it's frustrating. This isn't good poker though, good poker is to fold the 42o and not let our impatience force us into making a bad decision.

Same with the AQ, we open, and we really just want to flop a Q and get three sexy streets of value from QT and feel like a champ but we've missed, a player has bet into us 3 way with a range we KNOW is totally Jx dominated but if we make a King (prolly an Ace/Queen also) then we win so we ship it in. It's a lack of composure that is the problem with these hands, in my opinion and it's a problem we all have speshly earlier on in our time playing when we haven't had AS MUCH experience.

Alex made a good point.  Some of the UK's best and most consistent players, John Eames, Jp Kelly, Jake etc one of the reasons they have so much success in tournaments is that they don't ever let lack of focus/concentration bust them from tournaments (obv jake's T4o hand in D'ville is a ridic spew lol but that was 3 yrs ago) but one thing you NEVER see any of these guys do is bust early in tournaments with 0equity hands or awful starting hands because you burn so much equity by doing this. If you start with 15,000 chips in a tournament and go down to 7,000 in the first 4 levels then your equity has pretty much defo NOT been reduced by 50%, prolly barely 20%, so takign huge risks to double up like you have here really is just burning money.

You're coming along well John you really are but it's important to keep a clear head and really try to not get carried away as one of the prime contributory factors to lack of focus is complacency.

 

[jgcblack]

As usual lil'dave wins...

Thanks mate, I don't think im good enough with range tools and analysis post session yet at all. And whenever I have a hand im like 'hmmm' about I put a range into stove to have a look. You may well he right that this guys betting range when I've checked as PFR and the UTG+1 also checks is Jx heavy... I won't disagree, however this is late in level 13 and we've got 80mins left to survive and at the time (and having seen him stab at pots) i figured his range should he capped at J10/ AJ.. But that we could get enough folds to make it 'ok'.  I just don't see him checking back ANY 10x, J2-8 or some KQ type hands.. And obv they all fold for 1/2 his stack more..

Tbh i think it might be me trying to win too many pots still, at least now im doing it with some equity... Just have to pick better situations.

Ty tho.


@ pleno .. I haven't done this for about 10k hands.. However I've been listening to you and Callum and people and this looks like a perfect three barrel spot... No?  We rep soany strong hands and his range should be AQ max...??

[jgcblack]

Played really well in tonight's session.. run ok.. but mainly just not spewed at all!

Had one - bet turn and bet river.. where the PFR checked back flop and it was a good board for me, but can't even remember the hand.

Some run good - some hands held up
and some bad - 88 vs 107 aiotf Q69..... 7, 7... obv.

Nothing special really, just really solid.


Joined twitter today as a result of Alex, G2L and TL900 getting a little rowdy on twitter with all their #realjohnblacktweets.

Now I'll be moderating them with real versions!


Other than that, went to a BBQ of a friends gf tonight and had a nice time, I went over to Morrisons beforehand and picked up some Jaegermeister (?) and burgers n so on...  then helped with the cooking like a realman and had a good time.  I mention this because I've let myself get dragged into poker sometimes and missed out on some friends stuff and social things... and its nice to be reminded that as much as poker is the ABSOLUTE NUTS! we need a balanced life in order to enjoy it to its max.

Just seen Alex's business proposal and as I don't know enough on the subject I'm going to stay out of it... (again - growth - in the past id have shouted my random unfounded ) but I'm not sure if he's going to be able to get it off the ground.  Wish him the best of luck either way, it must be really invigorating to have an idea that you want to turn into a business and then spend your luckboxed hard earned moneys on. 

[jgcblack]

Just finished my session and unfortunately had a rough last 200 hands of a 2k hand session.

Went from +$54 to +$37 or something similar..

Had AA lose to 106o of a reg from SB, he called to make it 3 way with a whale.. then donk, donk, donked into me on 656 Q X... I had a note on him that he donked KJ on Jxx Q X three streets before so I actually thought his range might be 5x-JJ very easily.  Don't expect to see QQ here ever and 6x rarely when he doesn't cr fish.. Note mate and donks will be taken cautiously from now on.

other than that had a few small bet/fold type hands.

Most memorably was a hand where I have  and flop 
I cbet and get raised... (last time this happened I shoved and ran into JJ..) so I just call and cf a  turn.  WP JOHN! simple and small things, but when he and i were 160bb deep then I think i can bet/call flop 0.70>2.20 to try and get some showdown potentially going on a Q or A... but essentially I'm calling the extra 1.50 for a spade turn and to stack JJ.

C did the cutest thing ever where she'd been sleeping on the sofa while supposed to be watching a movie (happens EVERY night) then when she woke up at the end of the 2nd movie.. she looks at the screen and me grinding, grunts a loud 'oh ffs' type harry enfield grunt and then insta-sleep again. i lol'd so hard i finished the session and im off!

nn

peace out!

[SuuPRlim]

As usual lil'dave wins...

Thanks mate, I don't think im good enough with range tools and analysis post session yet at all. And whenever I have a hand im like 'hmmm' about I put a range into stove to have a look. You may well he right that this guys betting range when I've checked as PFR and the UTG+1 also checks is Jx heavy... I won't disagree, however this is late in level 13 and we've got 80mins left to survive and at the time (and having seen him stab at pots) i figured his range should he capped at J10/ AJ.. But that we could get enough folds to make it 'ok'.  I just don't see him checking back ANY 10x, J2-8 or some KQ type hands.. And obv they all fold for 1/2 his stack more..

Tbh i think it might be me trying to win too many pots still, at least now im doing it with some equity... Just have to pick better situations.

Ty tho.

You're smart and you love poker, being somewhat geeky I abso LOVE stoves and such things, I know pleno is also a lover of such tools - practice practice practice and all that will be stoving like it's 1984 in no time

keep up the good work! x

[tonytats]

Best thing about this diary is the honesty with which it's written
When he shoves  with 42 wtf is a6 beating ,usually it's miles behind ?
Or is it ?

[jgcblack]

Best thing about this diary is the honesty with which it's written
When he shoves  with 42 wtf is a6 beating ,usually it's miles behind ?
Or is it ?

tyty

A high is beating all my KQ/ QJ type hands for legitmate shoving.. but obv he doesn't have an A every time he raises.

Jack played really well all day imo.  I don't know if he had any spots he could've played differently but having me to his left and when I did pick up some chips I know i tried to make it hard for him.  Either way, don't want him the other side of me anytime soon...

[SuuPRlim]

Best thing about this diary is the honesty with which it's written
When he shoves  with 42 wtf is a6 beating ,usually it's miles behind ?
Or is it ?

Spose we'd had A8 and not 42....

[jgcblack]

Best thing about this diary is the honesty with which it's written
When he shoves  with 42 wtf is a6 beating ,usually it's miles behind ?
Or is it ?

Spose we'd had A8 and not 42....

then he wins on a 246 39 runout....

[jgcblack]

just played 1k hands and spent the first few in the ++ then the whole session in the red trying to play solid and get some $$ back after QQ vs AA aipf.

Then one orbit from the end i managed to find a massive three way all in pre floppage with KK vs JJ vs 88 and do a big hold for $30. Boom, out of the hole... then last hand we lose 99 vs 64 on 642 vs a mega whale.. which sucked... so finished a small lose but should've won a bi or so.

Solid and continued good play with little/ no spewage me thinks.. Couple of awkward bet/call (small raise with nutty draw) c/fold turns vs whales but other than that just solid solid solid.

We are climbing... as you can see from the graphs below.

All 10nl hands from start of stake.. and LAST 25k hands... winning @ 0.97bb/100..... which is getting somewhere....