An Ape and a notebook, how long will it take?

[Pugwashed]

John with your open and candid thread, very often people seem to be given a license here to fire both barrels at you over some of your "spewy" hands. Do you ever get abuse off the thread for playing hands badly that you just did not get the maximum value from or taking it further do you get praise for playing certain hands well?

Seems all one way traffic on here

It does read a bit like that that some times but it's a bit like JustinSayne says a lot of the spots appear "standard" to a lot of more experienced players so they do get passed over in the comments when these spots probably only stand out when they are played in a nonstandard way. But as I said, there is definitely some improvement from the last lot of hands. From now on, John, if a spot passes without comment then you should probably take some confidence from that and treat it like a pat on the back

[jgcblack]

John with your open and candid thread, very often people seem to be given a license here to fire both barrels at you over some of your "spewy" hands. Do you ever get abuse off the thread for playing hands badly that you just did not get the maximum value from or taking it further do you get praise for playing certain hands well?

Seems all one way traffic on here

It does read a bit like that that some times but it's a bit like JustinSayne says a lot of the spots appear "standard" to a lot of more experienced players so they do get passed over in the comments when these spots probably only stand out when they are played in a nonstandard way. But as I said, there is definitely some improvement from the last lot of hands. From now on, John, if a spot passes without comment then you should probably take some confidence from that and treat it like a pat on the back

Yeah thanks for mentioning it herb, that is absolutely the case a decent chunk of the time.

But the guys are right, if I play a 'good hand' standard then its taken for granted.
BUT when I play a hand 'bad-non-standard' then I get smashed for it.

As you can all see, I can take it. I know I need to.
And as you've all noticed there is some noticable differences already, this week off I've had I've done my best in everything (inc real life) to say to myself - "is this person 'qualified' to talk about/ tell me what to do...?"

If they are, then I've done whatever it is they've said.

Its meant I've played 16/13/7 for the last 10k hands.. And that with zoom, im smashing 3-5k hands every day!
(you get a LOT of AA/ KK/ sets) when u play that much.


Here's raising a glass to all of you, that its only taken 97 pages but im finally listening!

[jgcblack]

John with your open and candid thread, very often people seem to be given a license here to fire both barrels at you over some of your "spewy" hands. Do you ever get abuse off the thread for playing hands badly that you just did not get the maximum value from or taking it further do you get praise for playing certain hands well?

Seems all one way traffic on here

John knows one of the main problems is flat calling with aces pre flop..

true, but people just aren't getting in less than KK/ AA and AK pre UNLESS they open shove themselves (seen this a lot, varying hands...)  But there have been not even a glimmer of people getting in JJ/ QQ pre.  I've seen one person get in less one time over 22k hands.

BUT
When i let them make a pair postflop they just dont fold... so flatting has been pretty profitable so far.

#discuss

[pleno1]

they dont have to get it in, they will peel. wider.

im making a video for pokerstrategy next week playing nl10, hopefully you will enjoy.

[skolsuper]

In both your last 2 graphs of c. 5k hands your redline still has a positive slope. You're still doing it wrong.

[jgcblack]

they dont have to get it in, they will peel. wider.

im making a video for pokerstrategy next week playing nl10, hopefully you will enjoy.

I'm not finding that at the moment, but I am trying to make sure I get as MUCH money in preflop as i can when I gots dem AA's..

In both your last 2 graphs of c. 5k hands your redline still has a positive slope. You're still doing it wrong.

A lot of it is barrelling value hands/ cbets..

I'm playing 15/13/7 or 17/15/8 atm so its pretty snug.. there's a LOT of 3bt-ing from blinds vs btn and cbets getting straight through...
Couple that with no fear on river shoves for value in some spots where they might ctankcall...

advice?? (things to look for that are ool that i should stop?)



Just chilling with Disney tunes cos im such a kid sometimes and C and I believe I'm Baloo from JB.

<3 this.

[JustinSayne]

In both your last 2 graphs of c. 5k hands your redline still has a positive slope. You're still doing it wrong.

There is more then 1 way to skin a cat

I understand what you are saying in the respect he should be value betting more so his blue line should go up and red line down.

In practice it doesn't always work like that and can be often mis-interpreted

I could have the highest blue line in the world but it doesn't mean I am value betting well. If I just check back every river with TPTK my blue line will be through the roof!

It may simply be a case that John is value betting too thin or merging ranges on the turn (double barrelling TT on 467ssK) instead of check calling etc

There are a whole bunch of things that effect the red and blue lines. You should only focus on the green one imo and just make sure you are doing everything else in-between well

Couple that with no fear on river shoves for value in some spots where they might ctankcall...

This is another factor. If you are sizing you value bets wrong a range of things will happen


Sized too big:

You dont get called often enough by worse. So you get lots of folds (+ redline) and more often than not get called by better (- blue line)

Sized too small

You dont maximize on your value so your value bets are always called (+ blue line) but you miss value from the stronger parts of villians range by not betting big enough (effectively - blueline)

[cambridgealex]

NO FEAR RIVER SHOVES

+ DISNEY

= HERO

<3 JB

[JustinSayne]

Another thing to note John (sorry possibly more bashing incoming)

It doesnt matter if your playing 16-12 or 32-28. So long as you play either of these styles well it does not matter what your stats are.

If your decisions are justified and solid then it simply doesn't matter.

Playing tight preflop doesn't automatically = good. It is simply a solid foundation to work upon. What this means is because we are now playing a tighter (stronger) range of hands, we should be in less marginal situation thus making it much easier for us to play.

Once you become really comfortable with these marginal situations (think of all the 'head scratch' moments you have had) and they become second nature. Then sure you can start adding a few more hands into your range because you should feel comfortable playing them and that it is +ev to do so!

One thing I was always told, we make our money from playing marginal situations better then our opponents. Its a super easy game to get dealt AA and bet bet jam Qxx when the guy has AQ. Its what we do with A8 on J87hh that separates us from the average regs and the best regs.

[jgcblack]

Another thing to note John (sorry possibly more bashing incoming)

It doesnt matter if your playing 16-12 or 32-28. So long as you play either of these styles well it does not matter what your stats are.

If your decisions are justified and solid then it simply doesn't matter.

Playing tight preflop doesn't automatically = good. It is simply a solid foundation to work upon. What this means is because we are now playing a tighter (stronger) range of hands, we should be in less marginal situation thus making it much easier for us to play.

Once you become really comfortable with these marginal situations (think of all the 'head scratch' moments you have had) and they become second nature. Then sure you can start adding a few more hands into your range because you should feel comfortable playing them and that it is +ev to do so!

One thing I was always told, we make our money from playing marginal situations better then our opponents. Its a super easy game to get dealt AA and bet bet jam Qxx when the guy has AQ. Its what we do with A8 on J87hh that separates us from the average regs and the best regs.

Absolutely mate, which is why I was playing wide stats preflop (I thought I was good enough) but since I obv wasn't im changing to better my fundamentals. Then I'll start opening my ranges again.

Also fella, I don't know where this sensible, logical person you've become has been hiding..
I've only known the aggrotard of you going -"bet bet shove, they're fosh.. They'll call with worse!"



Liking all U posts mett.... Get over to pha!

[skolsuper]

In both your last 2 graphs of c. 5k hands your redline still has a positive slope. You're still doing it wrong.

There is more then 1 way to skin a cat

I understand what you are saying in the respect he should be value betting more so his blue line should go up and red line down.

In practice it doesn't always work like that and can be often mis-interpreted

I could have the highest blue line in the world but it doesn't mean I am value betting well. If I just check back every river with TPTK my blue line will be through the roof!

It may simply be a case that John is value betting too thin or merging ranges on the turn (double barrelling TT on 467ssK) instead of check calling etc

There are a whole bunch of things that effect the red and blue lines. You should only focus on the green one imo and just make sure you are doing everything else in-between well

You could skin it badly I suppose. How is his green line? Simple litmus test: Opponents too tight? Red line++. Too loose? Red line--. At 10nl I'd imagine our population of opponents is on average a little bit on the loose side, to put it mildly.

Your diagnosis of bad bet sizing is probably a good one if he's playing tight and still can't get positive showdown winnings. Also he could be taking transparent and exploitable lines allowing opponents to make good calls/laydowns, playing bad basically. Keep trying tho!

[JustinSayne]

How is his green line?

We shall just ignore that one for now

[jgcblack]

In both your last 2 graphs of c. 5k hands your redline still has a positive slope. You're still doing it wrong.

There is more then 1 way to skin a cat

I understand what you are saying in the respect he should be value betting more so his blue line should go up and red line down.

In practice it doesn't always work like that and can be often mis-interpreted

I could have the highest blue line in the world but it doesn't mean I am value betting well. If I just check back every river with TPTK my blue line will be through the roof!

It may simply be a case that John is value betting too thin or merging ranges on the turn (double barrelling TT on 467ssK) instead of check calling etc

There are a whole bunch of things that effect the red and blue lines. You should only focus on the green one imo and just make sure you are doing everything else in-between well

You could skin it badly I suppose. How is his green line? Simple litmus test: Opponents too tight? Red line++. Too loose? Red line--. At 10nl I'd imagine our population of opponents is on average a little bit on the loose side, to put it mildly.

Your diagnosis of bad bet sizing is probably a good one if he's playing tight and still can't get positive showdown winnings. Also he could be taking transparent and exploitable lines allowing opponents to make good calls/laydowns, playing bad basically. Keep trying tho!

This!

I've started doing things like instead of bet,bet, shoving AK on Kxxxx I just now 33-60% about 1/3 the time.  This is obv getting called a lot, but don't want it to become exploitable, esp if im going to fold to river cr's 99% of the time.

[jgcblack]

Also,



that is all.

[smashedagain]

Great I know you are all his mates and want to see him do well. I like to take the piss more than most but do sometimes think any moment now John will spit his dummy and get the hump. His contributions have been excellent reading  and I hope it continues.