An Ape and a notebook, how long will it take?

[cambridgealex]

Yeh don't dis us live pros

[pleno1]

its also a reason why live players have a huge disadvantage in most spots.

Why is it?

because john coming from a live background thinks he can comfortably bet q1098 with aa and then value jam over a bet on q10982 with aa. He saw the guy do some things to think he wouldn't have Jx but was probably a small sample and online from playing a bunch of hands you just realise which boards to bet/check nevermind abs take off cutting yourself.

basically anyone that had played 300k+ hands of online would never bet turn, never call c/r on turn and never jam river for value.

I come from a live background, and have never, and would never jam that board with AA.

yeah of course, but i mean no online players would do it whilst those who would would probably come from a live background.

[SuuPRlim]

not convinced.

I think John's just an optimistic person

[WotRTheChances]

http://wt.ag/PnH8oD
Unsure about this, guess it could be terrible.....

Dislike this a lot. Guy has 4x'd UTG, UTG+1 has called. You've 3-bet CO... then the sb cold 4-bets. This is TEN NL! People literally dont do this without AA/KK! If you find someone that does do it without dem... let him get away with it, you can snap-fold QQ here and you should be feeling uncomfortable with KK (i'm not advising folding Kings though).

http://wt.ag/PnH9ce
Tried a bluff... not sure if i like/ hate it.

FOLD PRE! Villain has raised UTG and you want to try and play A5s from the sb profitably?! At this limit in this spot you should literally just be playing hand you think are dominating his range (i'd fold AJ and 88 here... maybe A5 is a fold?). Also the river hits his calling range of your c/r ott pretty hard. Probably just give up.

http://wt.ag/PnHbku
His range should be pretty weak most of the time here, I'm happy with this vs most people.. wp him

Not sure his range will be weak most of the time. Villain has raised UTG and peeled a 3b from the sb.... he should be very strong here if he is a thinking player. Fwiw i prefer the 3-bet here to peeling pre... but i'd still be folding here a lot of the time @ 10nl... not much need to be 3-betting UTG opens without big hands from the small.

http://wt.ag/PnHdJ9
I thought he was a grown up with a real hand... apparently not.
#wpsir

Mostly just don't like the way you belittle the guy for peeling flop with 2-overs and a gutshot... HAVE YOU SEEN WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING?!

Imagine how much better those graphs you put up would be if you just nitted it up a load from the sb and stick to playing IP or with dominating hands. You could literally crush if you did this. I know you say it's easy and you want to learn how to play hands 'properly'. But the most important skill a poker player has is to adapt to the game he is in. In these games, tight, ABC poker it crushing poker, SO DO IT!

[pleno1]

the first 3 hands are obviously very bad. blaoting pot from sb vs a utg raise with kj just doesn't make sense.

there's too many "justifications" for things that just simply cannot be good.

the jj hand seems ok.

[jgcblack]

because its 'zoom' people are way more ool specifically from SB than you would think.

[SuuPRlim]

because its 'zoom' people are way more ool specifically from SB than you would think.

what, surely not, I would have thought the EXACT opposite, why hang about in the SB with an average hand when you can just click a btn and snap get a new hand in a better position?

[pleno1]

because its 'zoom' people are way more ool specifically from SB than you would think.

it doesn;t mean YOU should be ool though.

[Pugwashed]

because its 'zoom' people are way more ool specifically from SB than you would think.

what, surely not, I would have thought the EXACT opposite, why hang about in the SB with an average hand when you can just click a btn and snap get a new hand in a better position?

This is the case.

If you wanted you could take a look at regs stats from the SB compared to their overall stats for zoom and non zoom and actually figure it out. I would but I don't have many non zoom hands. Zoom in general plays tighter than normal.

[jgcblack]

brain spazz, I was doing something else at the time.. Its supposed to say ool from UTG.

People do it to 'rep' strength. I've seen evidence of this both at showdown and in opening range sizes/ fold to 3bt being too high to be a normal utg opening range.

[jgcblack]

Todays session, played super solid entire session...

Biggest Losers
http://wt.ag/Ug6PaT
wooops with equity..

http://wt.ag/Ug6SU5
really unsure about this... i actually said to myself "in before he donks.."  Then i realised im getting a sick price AND he could have straights some time..

http://wt.ag/Ug6VPU
pretty terrible... might not be wholly terrible as I have now (hadn't till recently) seen a few people stack off with QQ and JJ when 'they' 3bt pre... obv if i flat pre im almost certainly going broke on that flop as well... so kinda meh.

http://wt.ag/Ug6UeW
hmmmm..... probably not horrible.. I don't triple hardly ever anymore.  And I've seen people fold a lot on scarecards.. (when i have had it)

http://wt.ag/Ug6XHu
really close... I'm pretty sure I get called by AK a lot.. don't like the peel pre tbh.

http://wt.ag/Ug71ai
Everytime I've seen this and discussed in chat with the guys they've said "meh probably some kinda crap"

http://wt.ag/Ug6ZPD
Gross.... bit meh.



Biggest Winners
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O M G...

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Hmm.... not sure what else to do.. don't like peeling and vs BTN don't know how this can be terrible... MBN

http://wt.ag/Ug8uNF
like this a lot, he doesn't really rep much... didn't love it as i've not seen a lot of river cr-bluffs... but then I realised I think he can have 'value' hands that I beat.. or blockers to nuts that he could use.

http://wt.ag/Ug8sWi
MBN... well played me.

http://wt.ag/Ug8woZ
This is absolutely horrid from him... no idea what he thinks i have when we're 4 handed otf

http://wt.ag/Ug8zkr
Thought this was funny as **** I was like.... blockers - have KK wan toooimmmmmmmmmme

http://wt.ag/Ug8ygq
suprised.... but nice.

http://wt.ag/Ug8BJd
hmmmm... interesting.  Lets me take the lead then shoves, mbn to be me.

http://wt.ag/Ug8CwM
mbn to be me... don't like this but on Jxx ive been played back at by Jx a LOT... this is obviously a risk.

http://wt.ag/Ug8Gwu
SB has a GIGANTIC 3bt % so thought this was a sweet spot this deep...  obv just run good.

http://wt.ag/Ug8H3n
not really sure.... wpbro

http://wt.ag/Ug8JZ8
literally sure he had an overpair.... liked this a lot.  And obv tough to get a lot of money going on pre with this position and UTG+1

[SuuPRlim]

Lets have a look at the losers!

http://weaktight.com/5023002

Have no idea r.e his p/f 3betting, if he's tight 3bet then he's almost certainly just got an OP and wont fold, maybe he'll fold, you'll know better than me, but surely calling the turn is a pretty viable option here?

http://weaktight.com/5023003

What are we repping when we raise the turn? Chk the flop back with the betting lead and then raise the turn? QQ or TT, mostly TT....seems thin, C-betting the flop like a regular human not an option? Folding the turn a MUST imo you've lost your head here.

http://weaktight.com/5023006 and http://weaktight.com/5023010

Impossible for me to comment on these hands I have not enough experience.

http://weaktight.com/5023007

I always think the ACE  is a bad card here for you, cos you rep way less hands now taking into account the % of times you would chk TT-KK, Xc is a viable hand for him to have and he might chose this hand to bluff missed clubs so I think your value range is certainly reduced on this river, feels like an easier hero call now. He wouldn't have folded KK on any river IDK about the actual hand can't be too bad right?

http://weaktight.com/5023009

not mentioned this guys tendencies, but vs UTG surely we should just fold KJo? The flop call seems pretty bad as well, 100bb's this seems like a slam dunk fold, UTG ranges usually high card dominated so surely he's very likely to have our club and our equity dominated? Turn you obv have to call now and the river is surely just a call? I mean surely? He can have flushes, sets and you can easily have a strong hand too so surely he's not VB'ing too thin?

http://weaktight.com/5023013

Yeah, the NINE of diamonds sure why not let that be the river card.

[SuuPRlim]

Now the winners!

http://weaktight.com/5023061

4bet with AA? I've been reading this thread through that was against the rules?

http://weaktight.com/5023063

I'm really under-qualified to comment on the pre-flop stuff it's really not my bag, but his 3bet is bigger than I've seen in other hands, amirite? What do you make of that? Pretty sure that's just w/e and nice river.

http://weaktight.com/5023064

Nice hand, his c/r is a bit meh really cos your hand looks pretty much all bluff-catchers not too much missed stuff for you to bluff with and can't see you value-betting too much here so it looks for the most part like you're just going to chk back and show a hand down so the majority of the time he has a better hand surely he just bets it? NH.

http://weaktight.com/5023067

I don't know about this, prolly stnd.

http://weaktight.com/5023068

he's done a JB

http://weaktight.com/5023070

YES. 3 step winning system!!!

1) GET GOOD HAND
2)  BET
3) BET MORE

http://weaktight.com/5023075

mmmm, turn fold? or am I being results orientated? People spazzing off here enough?

http://weaktight.com/5023078

Still too fancy imo.
I like post-flop

http://weaktight.com/5023083

THREEBET!

Sick Graph, keep up the good work mate!

crusssssssssh

[jgcblack]

Lets have a look at the losers!

http://weaktight.com/5023002

Have no idea r.e his p/f 3betting, if he's tight 3bet then he's almost certainly just got an OP and wont fold, maybe he'll fold, you'll know better than me, but surely calling the turn is a pretty viable option here?
Yeah the call turn can't be terrible... but I like the shove with our equity often only being called by the pairs...  He obv has AK some % and will bet/fold some pairs some % (not a high one)

http://weaktight.com/5023003

What are we repping when we raise the turn? Chk the flop back with the betting lead and then raise the turn? QQ or TT, mostly TT....seems thin, C-betting the flop like a regular human not an option? Folding the turn a MUST imo you've lost your head here.
I actually use this for value some % because it helps me extract extra value because they fold to 'bet, bet, bet' more often than I want.  I put the first guy in a horrid spot with his weaker hands and the caller will never be able to call any river bet so I'll just get hu with him a chunk... with equity and an almost certain river fold.

http://weaktight.com/5023006 and http://weaktight.com/5023010

Impossible for me to comment on these hands I have not enough experience.
Fair, like i said... I don't know about these... I've been told (and seen) that people have 'shoved' really strange range of hands (from AK to 63o)

http://weaktight.com/5023007

I always think the ACE  is a bad card here for you, cos you rep way less hands now taking into account the % of times you would chk TT-KK, Xc is a viable hand for him to have and he might chose this hand to bluff missed clubs so I think your value range is certainly reduced on this river, feels like an easier hero call now. He wouldn't have folded KK on any river IDK about the actual hand can't be too bad right?
Dunno.... I can have a lot of Ax hands as I'm often 3bt-ing A2-A5ss and A10s+/ AQo/ AKo

http://weaktight.com/5023009

not mentioned this guys tendencies, but vs UTG surely we should just fold KJo? The flop call seems pretty bad as well, 100bb's this seems like a slam dunk fold, UTG ranges usually high card dominated so surely he's very likely to have our club and our equity dominated? Turn you obv have to call now and the river is surely just a call? I mean surely? He can have flushes, sets and you can easily have a strong hand too so surely he's not VB'ing too thin?
Its really tough I think... a little too nitty to just call here.. (only called later in a similar spot and the guy had a worse two pair - i lost like $5)
you might be right, i just don't know.

http://weaktight.com/5023013

Yeah, the NINE of diamonds sure why not let that be the river card.
Meh.... whatever.

[jgcblack]

Now the winners!

http://weaktight.com/5023061

4bet with AA? I've been reading this thread through that was against the rules?
Sometimes...

http://weaktight.com/5023063

I'm really under-qualified to comment on the pre-flop stuff it's really not my bag, but his 3bet is bigger than I've seen in other hands, amirite? What do you make of that? Pretty sure that's just w/e and nice river.
Hmmmmmmm.....

http://weaktight.com/5023064

Nice hand, his c/r is a bit meh really cos your hand looks pretty much all bluff-catchers not too much missed stuff for you to bluff with and can't see you value-betting too much here so it looks for the most part like you're just going to chk back and show a hand down so the majority of the time he has a better hand surely he just bets it? NH.

http://weaktight.com/5023067

I don't know about this, prolly stnd.

http://weaktight.com/5023068

he's done a JB

http://weaktight.com/5023070

YES. 3 step winning system!!!

1) GET GOOD HAND
2)  BET
3) BET MORE

http://weaktight.com/5023075

mmmm, turn fold? or am I being results orientated? People spazzing off here enough?
Think you might be right...

http://weaktight.com/5023078

Still too fancy imo.
I like post-flop

http://weaktight.com/5023083

THREEBET!

Sick Graph, keep up the good work mate!

crusssssssssh