An Ape and a notebook, how long will it take?

[jgcblack]

Thanks as always Dave...

[SuuPRlim]

Lets have a look at the losers!

http://weaktight.com/5023002

Have no idea r.e his p/f 3betting, if he's tight 3bet then he's almost certainly just got an OP and wont fold, maybe he'll fold, you'll know better than me, but surely calling the turn is a pretty viable option here?
Yeah the call turn can't be terrible... but I like the shove with our equity often only being called by the pairs...  He obv has AK some % and will bet/fold some pairs some % (not a high one)

My guess would be that he i) bets AK and ii) Folds a 1p hand  much less than you think OTT, his 3b% size if you have enough hands would be slightly useful prolly worth crunching the numbers find out what the b/e F% is my guess is this is this will be too high. I could defo be wrong/haven't looking properly

http://weaktight.com/5023003

What are we repping when we raise the turn? Chk the flop back with the betting lead and then raise the turn? QQ or TT, mostly TT....seems thin, C-betting the flop like a regular human not an option? Folding the turn a MUST imo you've lost your head here.
I actually use this for value some % because it helps me extract extra value because they fold to 'bet, bet, bet' more often than I want.  I put the first guy in a horrid spot with his weaker hands and the caller will never be able to call any river bet so I'll just get hu with him a chunk... with equity and an almost certain river fold.

Ok, this doesn't really make sense. If you're saying this would be a gd value line because it looks quite FOS, then surely as a vacuum bluff line it's always going to be bad. Justifying an un-credible bluff line by saying you WOULD use this as a non-stnd value line isn't really a good reason imo, in fact, it's actually a bad reason.

http://weaktight.com/5023006 and http://weaktight.com/5023010

Impossible for me to comment on these hands I have not enough experience.
Fair, like i said... I don't know about these... I've been told (and seen) that people have 'shoved' really strange range of hands (from AK to 63o)

Yeh, the preflop stuff baffles me constantly lol

http://weaktight.com/5023007

I always think the ACE  is a bad card here for you, cos you rep way less hands now taking into account the % of times you would chk TT-KK, Xc is a viable hand for him to have and he might chose this hand to bluff missed clubs so I think your value range is certainly reduced on this river, feels like an easier hero call now. He wouldn't have folded KK on any river IDK about the actual hand can't be too bad right?
Dunno.... I can have a lot of Ax hands as I'm often 3bt-ing A2-A5ss and A10s+/ AQo/ AKo

Yeh, for sure. That hand prolly fine, I think I like it better on a more of a brick though, guess it depends who you're playing, vs some you'd have a nice VB opportunity with QQ, others you might wanna check to induce bluff etc

http://weaktight.com/5023009

not mentioned this guys tendencies, but vs UTG surely we should just fold KJo? The flop call seems pretty bad as well, 100bb's this seems like a slam dunk fold, UTG ranges usually high card dominated so surely he's very likely to have our club and our equity dominated? Turn you obv have to call now and the river is surely just a call? I mean surely? He can have flushes, sets and you can easily have a strong hand too so surely he's not VB'ing too thin?
Its really tough I think... a little too nitty to just call here.. (only called later in a similar spot and the guy had a worse two pair - i lost like $5)
you might be right, i just don't know.

IDK, I guess I can't really comment as I just don't know people's tendencies, it just looks to me like he's bet three into what's a pretty strong range of yours, his range is totally uncapped, he can ALL the hands that beat you. Pre-flop and the flop calls are defo bad

http://weaktight.com/5023013

Yeah, the NINE of diamonds sure why not let that be the river card.
Meh.... whatever.

Thanks as always Dave...

No Worries, keep crusssshhhhhing it

[WotRTheChances]

YOU DID NOT PLAY 'SUPER SOLID'!

Hand 1 should obv be flattig turn, shoving turn is BAD.

Hand 2 is a car crash. FOLD TURN. You rep nothing on the turn... its a horrible board... hits the other 2 players range hard and it's just massively unnecessary to do anything other than fold.

Hand 3 is a flat pre. After UTG opens and UTG+1 3-bets.. either of their 'get it in' range you do very badly against, even with AK. Keep the dominated parts of their range in and flat.

Hand 4 is fine

Hand 5 isnt too bad... probably a leak that I take this line sometimes

Hand 6 pre is probably a fold. Flop is definately a fold. River is probably just a call, but you shouldnt have got there.

Hand 7 just fold pre. At 10nl i'd pretty much only be 3-betting for value from the sb. A6s is not a 3-bet for value.

Hands 1,2,3,6 are just so easy to not lose money in... think what these hands are doing to your winrate. Winrates of 3-6bb/100 are good and you're just giving 100bbs away in these. Make the game easy ffs.

p.s. Clearly you're doing a lot of things right... the graphs show that. However you're not going to get away with these 3/4/5 hands per session where you let it slip. At 10nl you'll get donated stacks enough it wont make you an unprofitable player... but once you get to where you want to be 50nl, 100nl, 200nl... you cant expect to make a mistake and then have people give it back + some.

[jgcblack]

firstly...

Tom - thanks dude, the time and comments are much appreciated.

Secondly..

We're talking 'SUPER SOLID' for me.. Remember those non equity trying to rep AA every hand bluff lines? This was super solid for me, sure its not perfect.  But its a blood good development and I am listening more and evolving quicker than before.

On the hands..
When people are folding a lot/ calling and folding the flop so much what and where are we 3 t-Ing pre?
I'm working with sb/ bb vs btn - 22+ KJ+ A2ss-A5 A10+ which to me looks like a range that will play pretty well when called, has a clear value devide, and should let me get into big pots with the best hand a lot.

Btn vs utg - Aa/ KK some Axss some % KQ vs fish and that's kinda it..

Btn vs CO/HJ - so much its unreal


And I get wider with how deep we get, so few of them out the 4th bet in that I get pretty ool IP once 160bb deep+.
(although I have found a couple if guys who tried to 4bt bluff me... I lolld a bit. Then put the 5th bet in and said 'ty' for ur money)


Im running 15/12/6... If I take any more hands out of my ranges I won't have ANY bluffs at any point in any hand.. That has to be a weakness...?
I've gotten to the point where im not blowing any more just because I 3bt pre, value betting well and folding JJ to two barrells on 10xx cos 'they dont have worse'...

What the hell more can I do?

Play perfect in every one of 4khands/ night?

[JustinSayne]

Todays session, played super solid entire session...

Biggest Losers
http://wt.ag/Ug6PaT
wooops with equity..
Cant be terrible, we have half the deck! Would be nice to have reads he DB/3bets light a lot. Otherwise calling again OTT may be better

http://wt.ag/Ug6SU5
really unsure about this... i actually said to myself "in before he donks.."  Then i realised im getting a sick price AND he could have straights some time..
Getting 4-1 I sigh call. Def not happy at all though. Think we can just take our price on the turn when 2 players call. Raising vs one is better

http://wt.ag/Ug6VPU
pretty terrible... might not be wholly terrible as I have now (hadn't till recently) seen a few people stack off with QQ and JJ when 'they' 3bt pre... obv if i flat pre im almost certainly going broke on that flop as well... so kinda meh.
Snap fold pre when the guy 3b mp vs utg. His range is ridic strong and then consider how nutted we look when we c4b

http://wt.ag/Ug6UeW
hmmmm..... probably not horrible.. I don't triple hardly ever anymore.  And I've seen people fold a lot on scarecards.. (when i have had it)
standard imo WP

http://wt.ag/Ug6XHu
really close... I'm pretty sure I get called by AK a lot.. don't like the peel pre tbh.
River is too thin, just call, most regs wont tripple AK here so hes betting range on the river is polarised between air and the very top of his range imo. Closer to a fold then it is a jam

http://wt.ag/Ug71ai
Everytime I've seen this and discussed in chat with the guys they've said "meh probably some kinda crap"
Break my arm snap calling UL

http://wt.ag/Ug6ZPD
Gross.... bit meh.
What a gin river! UL. River sizing is fine vs this stack size. Obv going for regular vbet sizing vs 100bb stack



Biggest Winners
http://wt.ag/Ug8mOh
O M G...
EZ game NH. Personally I size flop 1/4-1/3 pot but thats just being picky

http://wt.ag/Ug8pK4
Hmm.... not sure what else to do.. don't like peeling and vs BTN don't know how this can be terrible... MBN
Not a huge fan of the 4b pre. I go with a preflop call and play poker. Likely c/c flop and c/f turn on this run out if I do flat pre. As played just throw your hands in the air and say 'come at me bro'


http://wt.ag/Ug8uNF
like this a lot, he doesn't really rep much... didn't love it as i've not seen a lot of river cr-bluffs... but then I realised I think he can have 'value' hands that I beat.. or blockers to nuts that he could use.
This is a fold imo. Pretty sick that guys at 10nl are taking these kind of lines with bluffs. I think this will be a very rare occurance and you will get shown the nuts a lot more often then a bluff. Also I would raise somewhere before the river. Fuck being balanced just put money in

http://wt.ag/Ug8sWi
MBN... well played me.
This is so dirty! I puke on this board. I think we should cbet and fml decide on the turn. Prob sigh jamming since we are going to be left with a PSB

http://wt.ag/Ug8woZ
This is absolutely horrid from him... no idea what he thinks i have when we're 4 handed otf
NH ez game. His call is sorta standard but he is never fist pumping. Def not horrid from him.

http://wt.ag/Ug8zkr
Thought this was funny as **** I was like.... blockers - have KK wan toooimmmmmmmmmme
ez game is ez

http://wt.ag/Ug8ygq
suprised.... but nice.
Sizing is pretty bad in this hand. I go $1 pre and 1/2 flop turn jam river. As played I think we have to go bigger otf and shove turn given stpr

http://wt.ag/Ug8BJd
hmmmm... interesting.  Lets me take the lead then shoves, mbn to be me.
Sigh call and hope to see a hand like that NH

http://wt.ag/Ug8CwM
mbn to be me... don't like this but on Jxx ive been played back at by Jx a LOT... this is obviously a risk.
Break my arm snap calling vs his turn sizing. I cry a little if he bets 2/3 on this brick though

http://wt.ag/Ug8Gwu
SB has a GIGANTIC 3bt % so thought this was a sweet spot this deep...  obv just run good.
Such a easy game This is the only time I like a flat pre with AA. Good reasoning

http://wt.ag/Ug8H3n
not really sure.... wpbro
Such a EZ game! NH

http://wt.ag/Ug8JZ8
literally sure he had an overpair.... liked this a lot.  And obv tough to get a lot of money going on pre with this position and UTG+1
I 3bet pre. As played I like a jam on the river. His river calling range is the same if we bet $3.30 or jam imo. He is either snap mucking or snap calling.

[pleno1]

turn barrel with 910s is definitely not standard and just burning money.

dont raise turn with ak, they arent going to fold its a fkn hugely coorindated board, reason you go broke here isnt becasue of an unlucky river its because of a bad turn raise

hand 1 guy is v rarely b/f with his sizing and think call >>>>>>>>>> raise.

just because they are a little more ool utg it doesn't mean we should 3bet the abs nut worst hand oop. dont dare tell me blockers! also the cold caller will v rarely fold.

[JustinSayne]

I think people float paired boards way too wide ip with a bunch of overs/A highs and almost never jam there pairs like 77-TT when we bet. So I think that makes turn a bet imo with the 9Ts

[jgcblack]

Stop loss within 600 hands..

Nice life.

WTF do i do in these???

http://wt.ag/S2LnUV
not many value combos that beat me..  sigh..

http://wt.ag/S2Lsb0
obv 4bet pre... in this case still going broke on flop or turn no matter what...

http://wt.ag/S2It2n
errr..... no idea.  
Can't see any other sensible choices @ any stage..

http://wt.ag/S2Lvnl
unsure if i should fold here 100%... feels dirty..

http://wt.ag/S2Lu2J
river is close, probably a fold....?

http://wt.ag/S2Lxf3
Can't reasonably squeeze more out of this, dont like cbetting turn... and dont like cc cc... guess cc cf has to be best?

http://wt.ag/S2LAax
meh...

http://wt.ag/S2LyPW
could be 'thin' as I should have stacked most of the hands I beat by now.

[jgcblack]

**** poker some times....

[jgcblack]

First time I've ever had such a massive ratio of BIG pots won to pots lost... (we're talking over 30bb's)


I was a nit tonight and i did behave, and i did play SOLID. (normal person solid)


Biggest hands..
http://wt.ag/UabdNd
hate this... but when he's UTG +1 he has to have more JJ+ hands surely... and I've seen the guys I've seen are happy to stack off with an OP in this spot.
Really dunno...

http://wt.ag/UabEa5
pretty good turn card imo..

http://wt.ag/UabJL3
interesting calldown..

http://wt.ag/UabRtT
nice bink... interesting calldown

http://wt.ag/Uac7Jo
nice turn but what the heck is he doing...

http://wt.ag/UacwM0
nice hold... he tanked so long before shoving... I had to double check i had the nuts and then snap.

http://wt.ag/UacyU3
hmmm... interesting

http://wt.ag/UacBPF
std i think..

http://wt.ag/UacCmP
hmmm..... range wise i guess i 'hope' he has Ax more than the sets.. but I guess he'll have AK/ A10 a lot.

http://wt.ag/UacFio
hmmmmm interesting..

http://wt.ag/UacIL7

http://wt.ag/UacL9L
One bluff of the day, figured he would be folding all non paired hands, 44-99 most of the time here..

http://wt.ag/UacOm1
I put the extra raise in pre...

http://wt.ag/UacOTb
interesting, after what you've all said I figured the 4th bet here would be 'wasted/ overrepping' so i just let him bluff his stack

http://wt.ag/UacPXg
unfortunate river..

http://wt.ag/UacTWR
thought it was a nice hand to have this deep vs a UTG range.. turned out well...

[jgcblack]

Got a red line going down and the blue line up really high.... whatdya reckon Keys?

[JustinSayne]

Biggest hands..
http://wt.ag/UabdNd
hate this... but when he's UTG +1 he has to have more JJ+ hands surely... and I've seen the guys I've seen are happy to stack off with an OP in this spot.
Really dunno...
This is a puke fold imo, you expect to see JJ-QQ but I feel I only ever get shown 2p+

http://wt.ag/UabEa5
pretty good turn card imo..
Must be nice

http://wt.ag/UabJL3
interesting calldown..
Ez game

http://wt.ag/UabRtT
nice bink... interesting calldown
I admire his optimism. NH

http://wt.ag/Uac7Jo
nice turn but what the heck is he doing...
lol wtf is he doing?

http://wt.ag/UacwM0
nice hold... he tanked so long before shoving... I had to double check i had the nuts and then snap.
Nice fade NH

http://wt.ag/UacyU3
hmmm... interesting
So easy when you make value hands ey?

http://wt.ag/UacBPF
std i think..
yup std, UL

http://wt.ag/UacCmP
hmmm..... range wise i guess i 'hope' he has Ax more than the sets.. but I guess he'll have AK/ A10 a lot.
I hope this guy is a fish otherwise the 3b pre is spew. If so NH, could bet a bit more on the flop but thats being picky

http://wt.ag/UacFio
hmmmmm interesting..
NH Ez game

http://wt.ag/UacIL7
NH Ez game

http://wt.ag/UacL9L
One bluff of the day, figured he would be folding all non paired hands, 44-99 most of the time here..
We beat non pairs and he never folds a pair when flop checks through and turn pairs the board. No good John

http://wt.ag/UacOm1
I put the extra raise in pre...
Ez peasy

http://wt.ag/UacOTb
interesting, after what you've all said I figured the 4th bet here would be 'wasted/ overrepping' so i just let him bluff his stack
I either c4b pre or fold. cold calling a 3ball oop vs a 80bb stack here is going to be awkward


http://wt.ag/UacPXg
unfortunate river..
unlucky

http://wt.ag/UacTWR
thought it was a nice hand to have this deep vs a UTG range.. turned out well...
I would go closer to $5.40 on the river. Either way NH

[pleno1]

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/video/26177/5/

Here's vid I made for you John. I actually don't play like a nit and show a little that you can play aggro as long as you're disciplined.

[JustinSayne]

Here's vid I made for you John. I actually don't play like a nit and show a little that you can play aggro as long as you're disciplined.

[jgcblack]

Here's vid I made for you John. I actually don't play like a nit and show a little that you can play aggro as long as you're disciplined.

watched and now playing pleno like..

lolz