Tips for Tikay

[arbboy]

Poulter trades 1.81-1.82 on the exchange. Odd that they just kept laying the 20/21 until a few minutes ago.

 Rose trades 1.72-1.73, they are 4/5.

 They really do have a very strange business model.

They just laid me £1050 at 20/21.  

Pls tell me your Betfair login is arbboy and they still let you do that!

It's not but they have very odd limits on bf sports book on a sport by sport basis.  The sport i do the most volume on the exchange on i can't get 1p on any bet with the sportsbook even though i have never had a bet on that sport ever on the sportsbook to prove myself as a winner or loser therefore they have 1000% used my exchange data to limit me on that sport to zero.  Yet golf which i have never bet on generally i can get a full limit bet.  Other sports seem to be somewhere between the two extremes.  Given this has been a 2% betfair account for close to 6 years it's a very odd business decision to make.  It annoys me though that they abuse their position of data knowledge to use your exchange business to use in their sportsbook.  IMO that is very shady and potentially a misuse of data surely under the data protection act.

[tikay]

No more bets.

I say, NO MORE BETS.

[redarmi]

Poulter trades 1.81-1.82 on the exchange. Odd that they just kept laying the 20/21 until a few minutes ago.

 Rose trades 1.72-1.73, they are 4/5.

 They really do have a very strange business model.

Arbboy and I talk about this all the time.  Their whole business is beyond weird.  I could get less than a bottle on this yet I can have largely whatever I want on horses and literally nothing on the nba.  Lifetime that is the nut worst strategy they could have with me.  Arb isn't allowed a penny on a dog yet has never bet dogs with the sportsbook which suggests that they look at your exchange business but if they do that then surely they should have the sharpest lines in the game yet they routinely offer arbs with their own exchange.  It is by far the worst sports betting site in history to navigate and their product range is woefully inconsistent.  For example you can back a dog at Kinsley but not at the televised meeting at Romford on a Friday night, you can bet a college football team at 1/100 but they don't have a handicap or total and on basically every US sports market they seem to try to avoid offering the market price at 10/11 each and would rather offer everything around it at other prices like 4/6.   All that said on a few occasions I have sent them a CV because, despite all fo that, it is a place I think you could learn a lot from working at yet they have never even given me the courtesy of a response so they must be somewhat shrewd.  Did Ed Gas work there until recently?  Can he throw any light on it? (even by pm if he doesn't want to go public....I'm just massively curious about it all)

[Bad Beat]

 100% agree that that is a terrible abuse but they claim they don't do that. I was told "off the record" by someone there that they are just not smart enough. Golf is the sport on the sportsbook that I can get the biggest bets on but my exchange account is winning quite a lot on golf (I fluked a few tournament winners).

 Horses they don't lay a bean but I had a go at them about it recently. I think it's rubbish that a VIP can be invited to dinners, cup finals and the races but can't be laid a bet and gets treated like shit. Relative to the commission I've paid I am winning a small amount.

 I nagged and nagged them with that point and asked them to lay me at Cheltenham. They asked me why I didn't just bet on the exchange (obv I want the enhanced places on the big handicaps and the generally better place prices about fixed odds place bets in 16-22 runner handicaps). I told them they have made the liquidity shit by taxing all the layers and I don't want to wait to see if I'm matched...that was one of their USPs when they opened the sportsbook.

 They said they'd lay me during the festival. I started with a big-priced winner and I had a load of big bets but I did back most of my bigger losers with them and I gave most of it back.

 They restricted me back (although they forgot to and I got 1 decent bet through on the Saturday).

 Having broken even we went through the same thing for Liverpool. I had to beg them.

 They unrestricted me again.

 I had a few bets on Thursday and on Friday they called me before the Becher Chase to tell me that they didn't appreciate the bet on Ma Filleul as it was bad each-way (were there 25 runners?, I didn't tell them to go 5 places and bet overbroke the places, I'm pretty sure that was there decision). I tried to do another bet and the account was back to zero.

 My last bet won (felt so good).

 On Grand National day they reverted to standard ew all races 1/5th 123 and 1/4 1234 when all other firms were doing 12345 and 1/4 and stuff.

 Very strange. They really don't have a clue. On rugby they have 200 different handicap and points on every match but won't lay £200. On golf they put up arbs, lay thousands and never move the prices.

 

[tikay]

Poulter trades 1.81-1.82 on the exchange. Odd that they just kept laying the 20/21 until a few minutes ago.

 Rose trades 1.72-1.73, they are 4/5.

 They really do have a very strange business model.

Arbboy and I talk about this all the time.  Their whole business is beyond weird.  I could get less than a bottle on this yet I can have largely whatever I want on horses and literally nothing on the nba.  Lifetime that is the nut worst strategy they could have with me.  Arb isn't allowed a penny on a dog yet has never bet dogs with the sportsbook which suggests that they look at your exchange business but if they do that then surely they should have the sharpest lines in the game yet they routinely offer arbs with their own exchange.  It is by far the worst sports betting site in history to navigate and their product range is woefully inconsistent.  For example you can back a dog at Kinsley but not at the televised meeting at Romford on a Friday night, you can bet a college football team at 1/100 but they don't have a handicap or total and on basically every US sports market they seem to try to avoid offering the market price at 10/11 each and would rather offer everything around it at other prices like 4/6.   All that said on a few occasions I have sent them a CV because, despite all fo that, it is a place I think you could learn a lot from working at yet they have never even given me the courtesy of a response so they must be somewhat shrewd.  Did Ed Gas work there until recently?  Can he throw any light on it? (even by pm if he doesn't want to go public....I'm just massively curious about it all)

You have a PM Stu.

[Bad Beat]

 By the way, I agree with the point Doobs made earlier that Fred should not especially seek out to hedge any outright positions by "forcing" outright bets that are not value. I do believe Ricky Fowler at 12/1 ew 1/4 is a good bet though, particularly at 3/1 for the place. The market on Betfair is 12-12.5 now after a weight of money throughout the day.

 You can still get 12/1 each-way 1/4 1,2,3 Ladbrokes.

 I obviously like that.

 Poulter has a 6-footer for par on the 2nd btw. Good par by both players on the 1st, 3rd toughest hole yesterday.

[tikay]

By the way, I agree with the point Doobs made earlier that Fred should not especially seek out to hedge any outright positions by "forcing" outright bets that are not value. I do believe Ricky Fowler at 12/1 ew 1/4 is a good bet though, particularly at 3/1 for the place. The market on Betfair is 12-12.5 now after a weight of money throughout the day.

 You can still get 12/1 each-way 1/4 1,2,3 Ladbrokes.

 I obviously like that.

STOP IT.

We have £20ew @12/1, Ricky Fowler, Ladbrokes.

BET PLACED

[arbboy]

Apart from the dogs i really never have a clue what bf sportsbook will lay me on any market.  Regarding the lay out of the site what Stu says is totally true, esp in running.  They can offer literally dozens of non 10/11 each hcaps on us sports literally just dumped on the page in no order or logical position.

With regard to their array of markets, bf sportsbook offers all BAGS dogs meetings but doesn't offer the biggest 9 dog meetings of the week which are on ch 212 on sky weds-sunday and the markets the mugs they are trying to attract to their sportsbook rather than exchange because its easier to use, will be more interested in, never mind the highest volume (therefore strongest betting markets and ricks on pricing much less likely).  Just to make it even more comical they actually co sponsor this channel along with the big 4 bookies but don't offer any of the 9 meetings the channel shows every week on their sportsbook, only on the exchange.  It's literally impossible to run a sportsbook in a more comical manner than bf do.

It's amazing how their 'loltraders' would think any 2% account is liable to be a winner on some sports and not on others without just taking the most basic 'wrong' result orientated view of what the P+L says.  Surely in 2014 even bf's 'loltraders' can't be that bad. 

[tikay]

What a great bunker shot by Poulter to save par.

[horseplayer]

I am sure better men than me have spotted this but anyway

On Sunday, Arsenal go to Hull, who are guaranteed a place in Europe if the Gunners finish in top four

Sure there will be plenty of talk about this as the week develops

[arbboy]

I am sure better men than me have spotted this but anyway

On Sunday, Arsenal go to Hull, who are guaranteed a place in Europe if the Gunners finish in top four

Sure there will be plenty of talk about this as the week develops

Not sure if Hull would want the hassle of the Europa league.  For clubs of their size its a nightmare.  You have to sign players on multi year contracts to boost the squad for that season that you probably won't need in future seasons which is obviously very expensive.  You have to travel to some awful areas of Europe for thurs night games with a squad, due to Hull's size, which will have no experience of playing in europe mid week and combining it with an EPL game either side of midweek.  The vast majority of cities they would have to play in will be tough to get to from Hull probably involve driving a fair way to the nearest airport just to catch the flight.  The TV revenue isn't anything like the money they get from the EPL to cover for these additional expenses.

Stoke really suffered as a team during their Europa league season.  Newcastle the same.  Spurs have been massively hindered this year and gone backwards imo a big part of which will be the relative rest liverpool have had from no Eurropean footbal and spurs being forced to play all over the place on a thurs night.  The chances of Hull going down next season would massively increase imo if they are involved in the Europa league.

Obviously to counter this it's great for the fans to have short breaks to some of these cities and to see European football at the home games but from a business point of view i don't think it makes much sense given the huge EPL tv money at stake nowadays for just staying in the EPL.

[exstream]

Athletico Madrid now 2.1 to win league

[edgascoigne]

Poulter trades 1.81-1.82 on the exchange. Odd that they just kept laying the 20/21 until a few minutes ago.

 Rose trades 1.72-1.73, they are 4/5.

 They really do have a very strange business model.

Arbboy and I talk about this all the time.  Their whole business is beyond weird.  I could get less than a bottle on this yet I can have largely whatever I want on horses and literally nothing on the nba.  Lifetime that is the nut worst strategy they could have with me.  Arb isn't allowed a penny on a dog yet has never bet dogs with the sportsbook which suggests that they look at your exchange business but if they do that then surely they should have the sharpest lines in the game yet they routinely offer arbs with their own exchange.  It is by far the worst sports betting site in history to navigate and their product range is woefully inconsistent.  For example you can back a dog at Kinsley but not at the televised meeting at Romford on a Friday night, you can bet a college football team at 1/100 but they don't have a handicap or total and on basically every US sports market they seem to try to avoid offering the market price at 10/11 each and would rather offer everything around it at other prices like 4/6.   All that said on a few occasions I have sent them a CV because, despite all fo that, it is a place I think you could learn a lot from working at yet they have never even given me the courtesy of a response so they must be somewhat shrewd.  Did Ed Gas work there until recently?  Can he throw any light on it? (even by pm if he doesn't want to go public....I'm just massively curious about it all)

You have a PM Stu.

Worked there until September 2011. Have all manner of stories but few that would be wise to publicly discuss. This week coming is carnage and then away for Easter but PM me early next week and we can catch up

[tikay]

[Doobs]

magic indeed