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[sonour]

Ok, let's try again.

I'll be in Ladbrokes later.

If the price is still there how much do we want on Milner at 6/4 ?

[Tal]

Ok, let's try again.

I'll be in Ladbrokes later.

If the price is still there how much do we want on Milner at 6/4 ?

[AndrewT]

i would have thought for italy..draw is enough, defend first either or both or wilshere and milner at 6/4 underdogs to the 10/11 henderson/sterling etc must be worth a shout

First match, in the jungle, with both teams being happy with a draw - it's going to be a desperate game.

made for boring james milner at right wing to help johnson and wilshere at defensive midfield next to gerrard

both teams will take 0-0/1-1 happily

surely all the young creative lads will be on the bench?

i can't see why the more defensively orientated midfielders are in at 6/4 and sterling/lallana are in at 10/11

Agree totally , Johnson needs some cover , he's not that great a defender and you know what your getting with
Milner. Max I could get is 33.33 at 6-4 but suggest trying for £50 if you can get it.

well that's my view, but i think we're in a minority judging from the feedback

i would be staggered if england set up to attack in 100 degree heat in the jungle. others disagree

surely they'll take a bore draw right now and if necessary uruguay too and try to beat costa rica to qualify with 5 points. second in group is no hardship...not like second in the spain/dutch/chile group that gets brazil in the last 16....

are people forgetting what world cup group stages are like? high incidence of draws, lots of "lets not lose"

ideal for milner, wilshere with the barkley's/lallana's/sterlings in for the must win game and off the bench in the early games if you need them

Certainly with the order of games England have, their number one priority will be to make sure they're still in it going into the Costa Rica game. Two draws and the most they can be behind Italy/Uruguay is 2 points so a win puts them through unless the other two draw and even then England are still 1/2 to go though on goal difference.

[Nico29]

Can't help thinking for Woy not to take Cole, that Shaw is a small touch of value to start at 6's.

Baines still doesn't completely convince me at the highest level and it was only 4 years back that Stephen Warnock got in the squad ahead of him.

Just expected the price to be about 4's max tbh.

Yeh most overrated player in premiership imo

Hodgson said in press conference today if Baines gets injured then he's made a mistake not taking Cole, so 6/1 seems purely odds of Baines getting injured.

That doesn't really make sense though.

Why would he take Shaw over Cole if he wasn't prepared to play him at all bar if forced by injury?

The second choice left back isn't the same as the the third goalie or the 4th/5th choice mid/striker who is often a mere water carrier.

He obv has real faith in Shaw being able to step in and it's not just injury related imo.

Can see Shaw impressing him enough pre comp to make 6-1 look very big.

Obv most of the time he won't make it hence the price, just think it's slight value.

[arbboy]

There is no way Shaw starts ahead of Baines in the first game unless Baines is injured.  Nothing he does between now and the first game will change Hodgson's view of his first choice left back imo.  If he was that unsure of Baines then he would have taken Cole.  Baines starts every game barring injury.  Shaw has gone for the ride ala Walcott 2006 for the experience for future benefit for player and country.

[TightEnd]

Ok, let's try again.

I'll be in Ladbrokes later.

If the price is still there how much do we want on Milner at 6/4 ?

thanks

i think we had better leave it in light of feedback (the feedback is wrong lol, but fair's fair, its the process!)

[Tal]

There is no way Shaw starts ahead of Baines in the first game unless Baines is injured.  Nothing he does between now and the first game will change Hodgson's view of his first choice left back imo.  If he was that unsure of Baines then he would have taken Cole.  Baines starts every game barring injury.  Shaw has gone for the ride ala Walcott 2006 for the experience for future benefit for player and country.

Baines could play left wing. Has played as a wingback for Everton this season. Agree with the Milner chat tho Fwiw.

[horseplayer]

Milner seems ok at 6/4 but im not exactly running down to Laddies with a skip full

Seems a smidgen of value no more than that.

[arbboy]

This has got to be the worst squad by a country mile England have taken to a WC in my lifetime (Spain 1982 my first memories).  How many of this 23 would even get into any of the major contenders' squads never mind starting 11?

[McGlashan]

Ok, let's try again.

I'll be in Ladbrokes later.

If the price is still there how much do we want on Milner at 6/4 ?

thanks

i think we had better leave it in light of feedback (the feedback is wrong lol, but fair's fair, its the process!)

The Milner bet and it's reasoning sounds good.

He looks to be one of Roy's old reliable boys. He started 4/4 games at the Euro's and 3/4 at the previous World Cup. The exception being an unused sub against Algeria where they understandably went for a more attacking option.

[Nico29]

There is no way Shaw starts ahead of Baines in the first game unless Baines is injured.  Nothing he does between now and the first game will change Hodgson's view of his first choice left back imo.  If he was that unsure of Baines then he would have taken Cole.  Baines starts every game barring injury.  Shaw has gone for the ride ala Walcott 2006 for the experience for future benefit for player and country.

Fair do's.

Would you lay me any bigger than 6's mate?

Have had a reasonably small bet at 6's but would happily throw some more away if offered better.



I get your points I just think you can look at it both ways.

He would not bring Shaw if he wasn't 100% on him.

I was actually quite shocked he omitted Cole.

Walcott was a 4/5th choice striker and a supposed impact sub-altho not used.

If Baines is injured I just don't see who else could realistically replace him bar Shaw.

Seems a lot to ask of someone who is just being brought along for the ride.

I gen don't think that is the case here.

Plus as I said b4, Baines doesn't convince me massively.

As for Milner I get the theory and I would prob play him rather than Sterling but not Wilshire ahead of Adam L.

Just agree with Horsey tho, maybe a smidgen of value, nothing more@6/4.

[tikay]

Ok, let's try again.

I'll be in Ladbrokes later.

If the price is still there how much do we want on Milner at 6/4 ?

thanks

i think we had better leave it in light of feedback (the feedback is wrong lol, but fair's fair, its the process!)

Amen to that, that is the whole essence of it, good, well-constructed, debate.

[Junior Senior]

There is no way Shaw starts ahead of Baines in the first game unless Baines is injured.  Nothing he does between now and the first game will change Hodgson's view of his first choice left back imo.  If he was that unsure of Baines then he would have taken Cole.  Baines starts every game barring injury.  Shaw has gone for the ride ala Walcott 2006 for the experience for future benefit for player and country.

Totally agree

[horseplayer]

Shaw has nearly 60 premier league appearances read a lot of people comparing it to Theo, very different cases.

I would go as far as saying Baines has been poor this calendar year he admitted himself he had/has been affected by Man Utd talk. 6/1 Shaw would not surprise me massively if forced into a choice id back that rather than Milner at 6/4.

[Junior Senior]

Basically backing 6/1 Baines gets injured before first game