Has any 1 had experiences with mediums

[kinboshi]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dj-grothe/psychic-sally-morgan-sues_b_1244151.html

[Geo the Sarge]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dj-grothe/psychic-sally-morgan-sues_b_1244151.html

FWIW I am not a believer.

Anyone else see the irony in the "magician" Paul Zenon bashing on about people being con artists?

He's not a magician, he's just very good at deceiving.

Geo

[Claw75]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dj-grothe/psychic-sally-morgan-sues_b_1244151.html

FWIW I am not a believer.

Anyone else see the irony in the "magician" Paul Zenon bashing on about people being con artists?

He's not a magician, he's just very good at deceiving.

Geo

don't really see the irony.  illusionists/magicians aren't pretending that what they do is actually supernatural.

[jakally]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dj-grothe/psychic-sally-morgan-sues_b_1244151.html

FWIW I am not a believer.

Anyone else see the irony in the "magician" Paul Zenon bashing on about people being con artists?

He's not a magician, he's just very good at deceiving.

Geo

I'm pretty sure that in one of the interviews posted earlier in this thread, he is asked a question on similar lines.

His response was that, as a magician it was 'honest' deception - i.e. everyone knows it is sleight of hand, or just a trick, and magicians don't claim otherwise.
Whereas, the psychics / mediums stance  is that they have special powers.
(Something like that, anyway)

[Geo the Sarge]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dj-grothe/psychic-sally-morgan-sues_b_1244151.html

FWIW I am not a believer.

Anyone else see the irony in the "magician" Paul Zenon bashing on about people being con artists?

He's not a magician, he's just very good at deceiving.

Geo

don't really see the irony.  illusionists/magicians aren't pretending that what they do is actually supernatural.

They are when they label themselves as magicians.

Geo

[Geo the Sarge]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dj-grothe/psychic-sally-morgan-sues_b_1244151.html

FWIW I am not a believer.

Anyone else see the irony in the "magician" Paul Zenon bashing on about people being con artists?

He's not a magician, he's just very good at deceiving.

Geo

I'm pretty sure that in one of the interviews posted earlier in this thread, he is asked a question on similar lines.

His response was that, as a magician it was 'honest' deception - i.e. everyone knows it is sleight of hand, or just a trick, and magicians don't claim otherwise.
Whereas, the psychics / mediums stance  is that they have special powers.
(Something like that, anyway)

I totally get that but why still use the label of magician?

Geo

[AndrewT]

LOL Geo - a magician is one of the most honest professions there is.

A person goes on stage, says they're going to lie to you and deceive you, then lies to you and deceives you.

[Geo the Sarge]

LOL Geo - a magician is one of the most honest professions there is.

A person goes on stage, says they're going to lie to you and deceive you, then lies to you and deceives you.

Yeah I agree but please stop calling them magicians, they are not.

Geo

[kinboshi]

LOL Geo - a magician is one of the most honest professions there is.

A person goes on stage, says they're going to lie to you and deceive you, then lies to you and deceives you.

Yeah I agree but please stop calling them magicians, they are not.

Geo

Prestidigitator is a bit hard to say and spell though.

[Geo the Sarge]

LOL Geo - a magician is one of the most honest professions there is.

A person goes on stage, says they're going to lie to you and deceive you, then lies to you and deceives you.

Yeah I agree but please stop calling them magicians, they are not.

Geo

Prestidigitator is a bit hard to say and spell though.

pres·ti·dig·i·ta·tion (pr s t -d j -t sh n). n. 1. Performance of or skill in performing magic or conjuring tricks with the hands; sleight of hand. 2. A show of skill or ...

Nope, they don't perform magic.

I prefer manipulators.

Zenon's own website refers to magic

The magic is contemporary, amazing and funny, and his style is cheeky and irreverant but never offensive. The comedy is fresh, personalised and often improvised; adaptability being one of Paul's major strengths.

He is therefore lying imo.

Geo

[AndrewT]

Can't work out if you're serious or trolling Geo, but...

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[ManuelsMum]

Can't work out if you're serious or trolling Geo, but...

mag·icâ

Exactly. 'Pulling a rabbit out of a hat by magic.' It is the by magic bit that is crucial. They don't stand there and pretend that they did it by sleight of hand or mirrors or illusion. They say that it was the actual magic itself that caused it. Thus they are trying to deceive the audience. They should be put in the same boat as all the other con artists imo, like media and psyhics and the charlatans. If they don't want this, they should explain all their tricks like Penn & Teller do. Or have half or the audience able to see what is going on behind them.

Great Magic movie to help those previously deceived by these con artists, shows you how it's done

Are you watching closely?

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[DaveShoelace]

Someone gives an interesting account of a Psychic Sally show. Interesting, because they totally stitched her up:

http://psycicornot.wordpress.com/

[Acidmouse]

wow mental blog...good find.

[DaveShoelace]

Thought it would be fun to reopen this can of worms

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/aug/16/psychic-sally-morgan-deluded-harmless