Hand from SPT Luton

[TommyD]

I'd like to continue the fine tradition of every PHA board by discussing a spot while holding Jacks.

SPT Luton.  Day 2.  27 remain from 200, 22 paid.  Blinds are 2k/4k/400.  Villain is a player we've played with a bit in the past.  They are normally straight forward and solid but not adverse to over valuing certain hands.  Previous to this hand they have flatted our 2.2x raise in the BB and donk-lead a monotone 358 board with offsuit 22; and 3bet our 2.2 open with AQo from the BB.  We are seen to be aggressive.  We have been quite active.

The hand

Villain (playing 120k) opens for 15k UTG
All folds to us in Cut-off playing 100K and looking down at  
All stacks behind us are 60k-90k

In play I have 25BB facing a 3.75x UTG open and I didn't like any of my options.

[pleno1]

appreciate it is a hard situation.

Whilst i dont expect too many people going crazy nearish the bubble, i think flatting to induce a jam from these 20ish bb stacks is going to be best and playing a smaller pot in position vs an inferior player who will be quite face up with his sizings.

I definitely think folding is an ok option too as we are quite shallow and he has shown alot of strength from his bet size and position and if we were in sb and it had folded round would probably be a pass. Just dont telll anybody, pretend u had j5 or something.

I think if flop comes ace higg and he checks il start unloading the barrels,,if he double barrels low board/korq high boards then il make a quite tight but hopefully right fold ott.

[mondatoo]

No way I don't spite jam here when they 3.75x, pretty happy about it too.

[pleno1]

i thought we had 35bbs for some reason, eegh this is such a shitty horrible puke spot

[mondatoo]

i thought we had 35bbs for some reason, eegh this is such a shitty horrible puke spot

Pretty unlikely they have KK/AA but anything is possible live I guess, probs folds AK face up "don't need to take on a flip".

[NoflopsHomer]

i thought we had 35bbs for some reason, eegh this is such a shitty horrible puke spot

really? Seems like a standard push to me.

[Claw75]

i thought we had 35bbs for some reason, eegh this is such a shitty horrible puke spot

really? Seems like a standard push to me.

I thought so too

[pleno1]

when called we are just absolutely crushed.

Any more info on bet sizings at all through different stages of different hands.

People probably think im awful, but i think jamming here can be a huge leak in a live tournament players game.

Far,far too many people but things down as standard, id say around 70pc of supposed standard exits arent standard and could/should be avoided by taking a less results orientated line.

The upside is that if we get chips we can tear apart 22 plauers around bubble/final table bubble as we have said field is super soft and passive.

[TommyD]

when called we are just absolutely crushed.

Any more info on bet sizings at all through different stages of different hands.

People probably think im awful, but i think jamming here can be a huge leak in a live tournament players game.

Far,far too many people but things down as standard, id say around 70pc of supposed standard exits arent standard and could/should be avoided by taking a less results orientated line.

The upside is that if we get chips we can tear apart 22 plauers around bubble/final table bubble as we have said field is super soft and passive.

In the previous hands I mentioned he donk bet 2/3 pot with the 22 on the monotone board.  I dwelt folded something like AJ no club after tanking a resteel attempt and got a show from him.  The 3bet with AQ was 26k total over a 9k open, it wo the pot and I got another show.  He's normally a 3x man so this is large.  Haven't seen much else from him before this hand on this day as he was only in a few other pots which didn't see a flop.  This hand is the third level of the day, about 2 hours in.

My real problem was I had direct position on the best player at the table and plenty of tight players behind me.  I really think I can find a fold here because there are so many good places to nick from in later spots to survive while trying to find that big double hand to push through to the FT.

Agree completely that just putting these spots down as standard is a leak, don't think this is completely standard at all.

[pleno1]

with the further info we have i do a fold.

[mondatoo]

I definitely agree with you with regards to "standard" not being standard quite often as I think online players don't adapt to live play being so so different. However, in this spot in this comp, which I believe has a quick structure ? I think jamming is best.

[pleno1]

i just got really tilted monda..

On your avartar you have to get a balla stack size too.. Sitting out? Rofffl

[mondatoo]

i just got really tilted monda..

On your avartar you have to get a balla stack size too.. Sitting out? Rofffl

Haha, I was only planning to have it there for a few days after I done it but haven't found anything to change it too, well I can think of one thing 

Don't think I've posted it on this board actually....

[NoflopsHomer]

when called we are just absolutely crushed.

Any more info on bet sizings at all through different stages of different hands.

People probably think im awful, but i think jamming here can be a huge leak in a live tournament players game.

Far,far too many people but things down as standard, id say around 70pc of supposed standard exits arent standard and could/should be avoided by taking a less results orientated line.

The upside is that if we get chips we can tear apart 22 plauers around bubble/final table bubble as we have said field is super soft and passive.

3.75x deffo tends to be 88-QQ more often than AA-KK with live players.

[pleno1]

i actually think the opposite, i think more than normal = qq+ and realllly large = jj/ak. But youve seen alotttt more people play love poker hands than me.