river play

[Ironside]

villian has been pretty solid 3b me pre a cpl of time fold to my c-bet a few times, lead out to me and come over top of me.
nothing shown although we have tussled a few time nothing major taken place
on the river here i was thinking of putting in a value bet but i can opnly beat KQ QJ and QT that might call
and i better check calling to catch a bluff?

PokerStars Hand #74755280681: Tournament #558010491, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (75/150) - 2012/01/30 20:38:17 WET [2012/01/30 15:38:17 ET]
Table '558010491 548' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: manoloman461 (5294 in chips)
Seat 2: vongericke (2688 in chips)
Seat 3: MoLtUaE (16812 in chips)
Seat 4: O.Kadaksoo (4409 in chips)
Seat 5: johan148 (3394 in chips)
Seat 6: nayRH (10877 in chips)
Seat 7: Ironside (15954 in chips)
Seat 8: lastcardwild (7494 in chips)
Seat 9: gazzat7 (12220 in chips)
manoloman461: posts the ante 20
vongericke: posts the ante 20
MoLtUaE: posts the ante 20
O.Kadaksoo: posts the ante 20
johan148: posts the ante 20
nayRH: posts the ante 20
Ironside: posts the ante 20
lastcardwild: posts the ante 20
gazzat7: posts the ante 20
manoloman461: posts small blind 75
vongericke: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ ]
MoLtUaE: folds
O.Kadaksoo has timed out
O.Kadaksoo: folds
O.Kadaksoo is sitting out
johan148: folds
nayRH: folds
Ironside: raises 150 to 300
lastcardwild: folds
gazzat7: calls 300
manoloman461: folds
O.Kadaksoo has returned
vongericke: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Ironside: bets 525
gazzat7: raises 525 to 1050
Ironside: calls 525
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Ironside: checks
gazzat7: bets 1500
Ironside: raises 1950 to 3450
gazzat7: calls 1950
*** RIVER *** [ ] []

[NoflopsHomer]

Jam for value I guess.

[muckthenuts]

I wouldn't raise the turn, it really doesn't achieve anything.

[Ironside]

I wouldn't raise the turn, it really doesn't achieve anything.

i was hoping to call his jam on turn didnt expect a call left me a bit bamboozled

[cambridgealex]

Hate raising the turn sorry.

Just call call call.

[mulhuzz]

Think this is a check fold now..hes prolly not betting KQ otr after you raise turn. Turn raise has put us in an icky spot.

[Ironside]

no worries it went check check and he turned up with KQ one of the few hands i could of seen me getting value from

[TommyD]

Pretending we didn't raise the turn, is this a good river to donk blocker bet?

[mulhuzz]

Pretending we didn't raise the turn, is this a good river to donk blocker bet?

Pretty sure it'd be for value, but prefer check call.

[Ironside]

what hands are we really worried about on turn obivous 99 and q9

but are we really worried about them QQ+ pre he 3bets maybe even as 3bet with 88+ so way hand had been played to turn surely we are most likely beaten by quads
but are more likely facing Qx or possible someone floating JT

[pleno1]

2366/call flop, dont think its too close. He can check back turn and we lose value taking this line vs qx and our range is alot stronger when we call oop than when we 3bet as we have bluffcatchers vs Aq+ in the two ranges meaning he can spew 4b otf, sounds like perfect dynamic for it too.

[TommyD]

Pretending we didn't raise the turn, is this a good river to donk blocker bet?

Pretty sure it'd be for value, but prefer check call.

Half value, half blocking.  Bearing in mind he's flatted our open pre and raised flop, barrelled turn is he going to continue with the QX we beat or air again?  Air is always a maybe but I'm pretty sure QT and QJ check back the river if we flat twice, maybe KQ as well.  The flop was pretty dry, tough for him to continue betting with the lesser queens on the river after we call twice unless we are a complete station with tens/jacks.

[Ironside]

if i flat turn and he shoves river is it a call?

[mulhuzz]

if i flat turn and he shoves river is it a call?

Did we bet or check river?

I'm prolly calling both btw, defo if checked to.

[Ironside]

i was oop i checked he checked behind
but if i flatted turn i think he might have shoved river