1/2 with the Doncaster boys

[PeeJay]

Ok so live 1/2 at DTD. The game is pretty interesting and the Doncaster superstars are generating a lot of action. The effective stack in this hand is hero with £400. Doncaster boy is first to act and opens the action for £30. Yeah quite a big open but this has been pretty standard for him, anyway we are to his immediate left and look down at the  and go into the tank before counting out a raise of £92.  Action it folded back round to him and he presses the call button. Looking back on it I wish I would have made it bigger pre just because he's never folding and I want to get maximum value vs this guy. I also wish I would have made it bigger to set up the pot for a shove on the flop because I put myself in an awkward spot when the flop came (pot £186)

I'm left with roughly £300 and looking down at AK high on the flop when he checks to me after a few seconds deliberation. I consider my action before overbetting the pot for all of it. I know this play often looks like AK to a lot of people but I'm not worried about that because I think this guy is capable of calling with a lot of worse hands pretty often with the intent of "gambling" and I'm going to have the best hand so often. He's the kind of villain that will happily call with worse A highs and over cards which I dominate a lot so I thought jamming should be quite profitable.

I also thought about betting smaller to get peels from his worse hands but I thought there were a lot of action killers on the turn and I didn't really want to limit my value. Thoughts?

[cambridgealex]

i dunno, he plays so faceup postflop, i'd just check back most of the time and just get to showdown/ pick off his bluffs. doubt he'll call you're allin with AT.

[cambridgealex]

also, absolutely no need to take a highvariance line with him, just wait till you have a pair and take him to town.

sorry for poaching him and leicesterfish from your game yesterday

[sm00035]

Not sure how crucified I'm going to get for saying bet ~£60 then call off...

[DMorgan]

Not sure how crucified I'm going to get for saying bet ~£60 then call off...

Don't 3bet pre if its gunna leave you with more than pot back. You can make a sort of misclick-y raise to £150ish if he's really a massive whale, or even jam if its that sort of gambly table.

Much prefer b/c to checking. When his peeling range is decently wide pre AK is the best hand here so often and with the preflop action I think he's gunna play this pretty honest, ie he'll fold his A9 and sigh put it in with 66 but even if he only spaz jams a very small %age of the time I still prefer b/c to checking back.

[paulhouk03]

would flatting be terrible pre with the view of jamming anyone who decides to raise us?

[sm00035]

would flatting be terrible pre with the view of jamming anyone who decides to raise us?

I think so, yes.

[SuuPRlim]

I'd 3bet bigger pre, would prefer a bigger 3bet to a flat just purely based on the player.

OTF I'm with Alex on this one, this type of player won't blow you off with hands that don't have good equity anyways and trying to show it down/realise your equity would be the line for me, I can't stand the thought of a bet/fold when he's capable of jamming all sorts but I think his overall jamming range would have just a little too much equity to show enough profit to bet/call (agree with Sam's sizing if you are going to b/c) speshly when you're in a soft live game I agree with what alex says that high variance lines are not optimal (would be a much better play if you knew the game would last for 12 hours)

you could defo consider taking a small stab on CERTAIN turn cards, could even value bet some pairing turns.

Really think shoving is kind of a desperate spewy move, where you're not too sure exactly what to do so we jam and hope for the best, we all do it loads but it's a bit frantic and that's not the best way to play in super loose full ring live games imo - I think the hope calls random Ax's and KQ is just a bit optimistic.

[pleno1]

lolwhat? 68/call

[pleno1]

5 25 quid chips pre

[DMorgan]

With pleno on this one, 3bet to this size or smaller pre and check back flop is nut low line imo

[sm00035]

I'm left with roughly £300 and looking down at AK high on the flop when he checks to me after a few seconds deliberation. I consider my action before overbetting the pot for all of it. I know this play often looks like AK to a lot of people but I'm not worried about that because I think this guy is capable of calling with a lot of worse hands pretty often with the intent of "gambling" and I'm going to have the best hand so often. He's the kind of villain that will happily call with worse A highs and over cards which I dominate a lot so I thought jamming should be quite profitable.

I also thought about betting smaller to get peels from his worse hands but I thought there were a lot of action killers on the turn and I didn't really want to limit my value. Thoughts?

Really don't understand this logic either. If you are confident your hand is good, think he is there to gamble and will happily call with over cards, then let him. Don't over pot jam (essentially almost bluffing with your hand) giving him the chance to fold.

[sm00035]

Fwiw although I think you can definitely induce him with worse, that's not to say I don't think he will turn up with 66/88 etc and other suited connectors that have also hit that board a fair % of the time

[SuuPRlim]

I mean betting £68 and calling will prolly give you a small profit but I think in a game like this where the action is going to be nutso for 3-4 hours (100-120 hands) then will die right down it's really not the optimal line.

we're not getting bluffed by stuff that isn't reasonably strong OTT by the sounds of the player so I think chking it back is the best line. Obviously it's dreadful from a theoretical perspective but we're not trying to play theoretically optimal poker we're trying to win as many £'s as we can, whilst losing as few £'s as we can in a small space of time.

If you make it £135 preflop then the pot is £260 and there is £265 back in stacks, you can merrily bet £85 and call and be pretty happy with that imo

[cambridgealex]

surely dave, (playing devils advocate here as I know you agreed with me in the first place) the whole "better spots" argument is a logical fallacy in cash games. Why pass up a +EV spot now just because it's only marginally +EV and high variance? Yes, you can wait for better spots, but you'll still be privvy to those spots even if you get stacked here.

Playing vs this guy you HAVE to play exploitable, non-theory optimal poker to win the most money. The concept of balance goes COMPLETELY out the window.

Keys got stacked by this dude in this hand. utg raises £20, two callers, he (villain here) makes it £60 with 72o. 4 or so callers. it comes Q82cc or K82cc, checks to him and he bets £200, Keys c/r to £500. He calls. Turn is a 7 and they get it in. There's 100x stories even worse than that.

ps defo 3b way bigger pre. I'd go for £125 maybe even as big as £150. He might fold a bit more often but trust me, he's NEVER folding AT-AQ or suited aces or KQ/KJ all of which you crush, so yeh, big is beautiful here.

pps, and if it was all my money in the world peejay, I'd sit to cover him.