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« Reply #165 on: August 19, 2013, 08:46:37 PM »



A couple of years ago liverpoo fans were smirking at the "good business" that King Kenny had done for them in the transfer window for the upcoming season.



Behave Ralph.

Kenny's dodgy dealings at least won some silverware.
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« Reply #166 on: August 19, 2013, 08:52:12 PM »

Yes I agree Tightend. Sometimes it's not always about the money, it can be about the ego of the player. I.E Rooney - he would defo be another 'Henry' for Arsenal, the fans would love him and business wise he would accumulate a lot of revenue in shirts, calendars, posters & general merchandise. Even ticket sales might increase.

They need to look for players that don't seem to be getting enough start ups in there current teams, want more money, want champions league football and so on.

I think it all seemed to go downhill when David Dein left IMO, the problem lies deeper within the club.
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« Reply #167 on: August 19, 2013, 08:54:42 PM »

Gervinho was sold last week.

I didn't realise, have had a busy weekend, considering I never watch the news or buy newspapers I don't do too badly 😘

I have heard that Arsenal have off loaded 15 odd players from there squad as either sales or loans, where's the buy? Where's the hungar to become the team they once were. 

A real shame.
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« Reply #168 on: August 20, 2013, 12:01:15 AM »

The wage cap they have at Arsenal is obv the problem, not likely Napoli are a bigger club than them.

Very, very unlikely that Arsenal could replace Wenger with someone any better but the Gooners complaints are understandable, they've been lacking a very good Keeper for a long time.
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« Reply #169 on: August 20, 2013, 12:13:24 AM »

Arsenal are fine - once Bale goes to Madrid 4th place is their's again, the CL money will roll in and the owners can top up their bank balances.

Simply no point burning money to try and compete with Abramovich, the Qataris, or the Glazer's financial shenanigans.
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« Reply #170 on: August 20, 2013, 12:52:33 AM »

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« Reply #171 on: August 20, 2013, 01:47:03 AM »

Arsenal are fine - once Bale goes to Madrid 4th place is their's again, the CL money will roll in and the owners can top up their bank balances.

Simply no point burning money to try and compete with Abramovich, the Qataris, or the Glazer's financial shenanigans.

The glazer's?
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« Reply #172 on: August 20, 2013, 02:35:42 AM »

Arsenal are fine - once Bale goes to Madrid 4th place is their's again, the CL money will roll in and the owners can top up their bank balances.

Simply no point burning money to try and compete with Abramovich, the Qataris, or the Glazer's financial shenanigans.

The glazer's?

Don't get me started on how Manchester United shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as the other two.
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« Reply #173 on: August 20, 2013, 09:15:32 AM »



I'd love to see a real 'dog spirited' midfielder back in there side someone like schweinsteiger. Think also a good attacking midfielder like Juan Mata & a bulldog defender.

At least make some attempts to sign 3/4 decent players that will help strengthen the squad and add more depth.

but thats the problem Nutty, how do you get a Schweinsteiger out of Bayern, a Mata out of Chelsea, a Rooney out of United?

You don't.

Arsenal are in the opposite of a sweet spot. Squad is good enough that adding Cabaye or £10m equivalents makes no difference yet getting the £25-30m buys is not feasible given everyone else either a) has them under contract or b) is competing for the same player pool

A team like Spurs can transform a midfield with Paulinho, Capoue potentially Willan etc because the core talent there is weaker than Arsenal's (though far closer than it was). Spurs will get to the Arsenal point of the "anti sweet spot" in 18 months or so, whereas at the moment they can still strengthen

Not sure I agree with this.  Arsenal midfield on Saturday was Rosicky, Ramsey and Wilshire.    I think Paulinho, Willian and Wishire would be a significant upgrade on that.
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« Reply #174 on: August 20, 2013, 11:46:31 AM »

By Dominic Fifield
Last updated: Tue Aug 20 10:19:36 BST 2013

This summer was supposed to mark a new era at Arsenal. The Londoners, the world was told, had benefited from “an escalation in financial firepower” and boasted ambition to match, a club with vast cash reserves capable of luring world-class talent to the Emirates stadium.

A few months on, and with the transfer deadline ticking ever closer, the close season has started to feel more like the start of a long goodbye.

Arsene Wenger has been a managerial great, a figure who has left an indelible mark on the Premier League and whose points of principle, certainly when it comes to clubs spending beyond their means, are admirable.

He could baulk at the billions invested by oligarchs and Sheikhs, questioning the financial models in place at rival clubs and the sustainability of the projects they promoted, and most independent observers would agree with his stance. His desire to polish rough diamonds into gems was also to be applauded.

And yet, in the wake of recent toils in failed pursuit of silverware and with the chief executive's aspirations laid bare in those interviews of early summer, Wenger suddenly feels outdated. A man whose ethics have become his downfall, restricting him and his club from competing at the level they crave.

Last week, on the eve of his side's horrendous 3-1 home defeat to Aston Villa, the Frenchman had insisted the failure to secure a Gonazlo Higuain or Luis Suarez, a Lars Bender or Luiz Gustavo, was not his fault.

“The perception I am resistant to spending is unfair,” he had said. “Why should I resist? I just defend the idea you spend the money you have and not the money you don't have.

"Today, we have more so we can spend more. I am excited by that prospect. ... We are ready to spend the money if we feel that the players make us a better team.”

But surely Higuain would have improved Arsenal's lineup? And would their midfield not feel more secure with a Gustavo in the ranks? Both those players moved in the end, for £32m and £17m to Napoli and Wolfsburg (11th in the Bundesliga last term) respectively.
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Wenger is limping into the final year of his contract with an air of panic all around"

Surely any of those four would have been a welcome addition to an Arsenal squad who travel to Istanbul on Tuesday for a critical, and awkward, Champions League qualifying tie against Fenerbahce severely depleted, lacking in depth and with confidence dented by Saturday's loss.

Spurs, of course, have Franco Baldini operating as a technical director these days, a key member of Fabio Capello's staff at Roma, Real Madrid and England, and whose input was so welcomed by Andre Villas-Boas in terms of recruitment this summer.

The clamour from Arsenal fans, and even former major shareholders, has been for someone of similar ilk – David Dein's name is hollered more than most – to assist and influence Wenger.

The Frenchman can seem too pernickety at times, too intent on perfection, where a Dein-figure might persuade him to take the odd risk for the greater good.

Quibbling over relatively minor fees when the board has insisted there is money to burn – “I have, of course, a big influence on that,” admitted the manager when asked if he had the final word on the size of offers made for players – would suggest the system of recruitment is dysfunctional at present.

Actually, the sight of Yaya Sanogo as the solitary summer signing to date is evidence enough of failure. Now bids are being lodged for the likes of Yohan Cabaye at Newcastle, but if the French midfielder had been a first-choice target then why was interest not declared earlier in the summer?

After all, the price on his head is hardly likely to drop as the deadline approaches. As it is, Wenger rather limps into the last year of his contract with an air of panic all around.

The last two weeks before 11pm on 2 September might bring a flurry of incoming deals but, unless a Suarez or Wayne Rooney is among them, the sense will always be that this was desperation setting in at the last.

The club's supporters' trust have already made it clear talk of the manager being offered a new deal at present is “inappropriate” unless “considerable improvement” is demonstrated in the market. Securing him to longer terms suddenly does not feel quite the coup it was.

A summer of anti-climax has been translated as a “continued lack of ambition”, and understandably so. Wenger has claimed three Premier League titles and four FA Cups in a little under 17 seasons in north London. At present, it is hard to see his stewardship extending beyond campaign No18.

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« Reply #175 on: August 20, 2013, 11:49:28 AM »

I don't mind Arsenal's approach to be honest.

They should just make their case that they want to develop young players while remaining in the top 4, and not pay over the odds for finished products.  At the same time say they are charging the highest prices in the world (?) to come and watch and then say if you don't like it, don't pay to watch.  I think it is the pretence that they want to spend a lot of money that frustrates people.
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« Reply #176 on: August 20, 2013, 11:54:44 AM »

I think what they(the board) dont understand is that your Joe Bloggs fan isn't that bothered HOW rich we are, just that we have money to spend and aint spending it.

I suspect no fan wants to see their team in financial trouble, but at the same time if they aint doing the business, and they have money, it should be spent
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« Reply #177 on: August 20, 2013, 04:46:09 PM »

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« Reply #178 on: August 24, 2013, 12:10:21 PM »

Abs amazed at some of the support for the board. Support a great manager like Wenger? Yup.

Support THAT board? Certainly not.

I'm all for self-sustaining clubs as I'm sure a lot are. If then you are in that wonderful position of a self-generated disposable income, it's a bit daft to not move with a market that in the modern game has shown you must spend to have a chance of winning. Ticket prices up. TV money up. Merch sales up. Foreign exposure up. Quality of football down? Hmmm. If in the real world there is a downward stickiness on wages, and cost of living increases, is it reasonable to think you can go against the economy?

And it's not "their" money IMO.  They're custodians of a business which will long outlast them. They've made Arsenal self sufficient (like that was difficult or an amazing job) and seem to think this entitles them to rob the "true" fan. Unfortunately 93% of match day revenue comes from 7% of the fans. The club know this.

Do they care then, if a die hard Gooner, 60 years old, a ST holder for the last 30 years decides to not renew? Nope. If anything it's going to reduce the ST waiting list by one and possibly catch a better merch spender. Only a young family is a priority over a new ST holder. All of whom are nobodies to the corporate boxes. It is sad for such a great club to be treated in such a way.

It's appears the financial gloves are somewhat off Arsenal now. I'd be interested to see how AW does in the next 3/4 windows before judging him.

The board? Businessmen. With the exception of one or two shareholders I can't see a worthwhile custodian there.
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« Reply #179 on: August 24, 2013, 12:13:16 PM »

"At a football club, there's a holy trinity - the players, the manager and the supporters.
Directors don't come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques."
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