A simple question

[doubleup]

In live No limit Hold'em, should a player

a) be told what the pot size is by the dealer if asked

b) be able to "bet the pot"

I've always wondered why a player can't be told the pot-size though. better than spreading it and waiting for the player to count.

Theoretically the dealer will be providing assistance to the player not required by the rules of the game.  He can count a bet as calling the amount of that bet is required by the rules.

[dik9]

In live No limit Hold'em, should a player

a) be told what the pot size is by the dealer if asked

b) be able to "bet the pot"

I've always wondered why a player can't be told the pot-size though. better than spreading it and waiting for the player to count.

Theoretically the dealer will be providing assistance to the player not required by the rules of the game.  He can count a bet as calling the amount of that bet is required by the rules.

Hallelujah!!!

Free Rollin, the other half of the arguement against, is the stroke pull "if it isn't allowed", i.e I bet the pot (1200), sorry sir you are held to a bet but the pot isn't a legitimate bet, ok then I bet 25 kind of thing after seeing a players reaction.

[Free_Rollin]

Free Rollin, the other half of the arguement against, is the stroke pull "if it isn't allowed", i.e I bet the pot (1200), sorry sir you are held to a bet but the pot isn't a legitimate bet, ok then I bet 25 kind of thing after seeing a players reaction.

Lol, I'm not sure if you agree with my point or not. If we take your example, and the 1200 bet doesn't count, then yes, you can gain an advantage. So the first declaration should be binding.

[dik9]

That's the thing Sunny I am just putting the other side of the discussion so people can way up themselves

There are 3 points of view to consider;

The Player
The Dealer
The TD

[JK]

Have you not won this argument yet rich? Lol.

Told you my opinion. Will post it when I get to a pc, along with the explanation you asked mw to recite

[dik9]

Have you not won this argument yet rich? Lol.

Nope, v1.3 is telling me I failed lol

[jgcblack]

A player can't be told the pot size in a non pot game because the bets are known and its not difficult maths to add up the raises preflop x n amount of players.

If a player 'declared' pot in a non potlimit game then the bet would have to be the minimum.


A player cannot be told the pot size as this is giving information that he already has access to.

[Rivertony]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IS THE ANSWER

+1
CHIPPYMAN knows all 

[Jon MW]

In theory the answer to both should be yes. ...

However in the interests of time and speeding up the game i could understand why clubs would not allow it.

In general can't dealers work out the size of the pot faster than most players?
Specifically any player that asks the question is certainly only going to ask because, for whatever reason, they're incapable/incompetent or just slow at working out the pot size themselves.

So doesn't it slow the game down by not allowing the dealers to help?

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A player cannot be told the pot size as this is giving information that he already has access to.
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Theoretically the dealer will be providing assistance to the player not required by the rules of the game.  He can count a bet as calling the amount of that bet is required by the rules.

The information is freely available - so what harm does it do?

What effect does it have apart from speeding up the game?

[JK]

Knowing the exact size of a pot is an advantage that I, and many others, often use when working out correct sizings. Why should we lose this advantage because someone cant be arsed?

Russel the ex DTD dealer always summed it up best.

No limit hold'em is a game of incomplete information where players must use all available information to make the best possible decision.

If you want to know the size of the pot on every street, either a) play online (where they dont have a choice but to show it) or b) play pot limit

[kinboshi]

it displays the pot size and and allows u bet the size of the pot online....................

You don't have to wear clothes when you play online...

[George2Loose]

Think it's good once in a while to challenge these rules which may or may not have become outdated. Our local gala STILL antes people when they miss a round of the button and cannot really justify why they do this. Such a tilting ridic rule but seems to remain because it's a rule they've always had

[tikay]

Think it's good once in a while to challenge these rules which may or may not have become outdated. Our local gala STILL antes people when they miss a round of the button and cannot really justify why they do this. Such a tilting ridic rule but seems to remain because it's a rule they've always had

I agree, but top of the list to review HAS to be the way the string-betting rule is implemented in the UK.

I am not sure I have ever seen an intended string-bet, to be honest, or advantage gained from one. OK, some smartalec will remember one or two, but its out of all proportion to the arguments it causes, especially for newbies struggling to learn the game, whom we should be encouraging.

[George2Loose]

Think it's good once in a while to challenge these rules which may or may not have become outdated. Our local gala STILL antes people when they miss a round of the button and cannot really justify why they do this. Such a tilting ridic rule but seems to remain because it's a rule they've always had

I agree, but top of the list to review HAS to be the way the string-betting rule is used in the UK.

I am not sure I have ever seen an intended string-bet, to be honest, or advantage gained from one. OK, some smartalec will remember one or two, but its out of all proportion to the arguments it causes, especially for newbies struggling to learn the game, whom we should be encouraging.

AGREE! Most outdated ridiculous rule ever.

[bobAlike]

Think it's good once in a while to challenge these rules which may or may not have become outdated. Our local gala STILL antes people when they miss a round of the button and cannot really justify why they do this. Such a tilting ridic rule but seems to remain because it's a rule they've always had

I agree, but top of the list to review HAS to be the way the string-betting rule is implemented in the UK.

I am not sure I have ever seen an intended string-bet, to be honest, or advantage gained from one. OK, some smartalec will remember one or two, but its out of all proportion to the arguments it causes, especially for newbies struggling to learn the game, whom we should be encouraging.

This reminded of the kid who sat next to you Tikay at the last DTD Deepstack. I did feel sorry for you especially when he didnt lose his chips to you in that one hand.