AKhh vs fishy player

[LeeMcshane]

Was playing the 50/1 at DTD the other day had a guy to my right who has been playing really loose and making pretty bad calls constaantly but then out drawing just playing pure terrible. I spoke to someone i know and they said that my play was pretty strange now i personally still think its a pretty standard move. Will post his hand after a few hands so i can get a idea of the hands you think he is playing in his range.

I'm in BB: sat back £380 

Villian in CO: sat back £220

Utg straddles to £2 6 limps around to me and i raise to £22 folded around to villian who flats.

Flop: 

I Cbet for £25,

Villian re pops to £50 and i instant shove. Putting him on a wide range of hands i dont think he makes this play with any decent PP and not a 2 as i cant see this hand in his range unless he has 22 but i stilll think his line is weird. At most i can put him on is a flush draw as well.

He tanks for a little and says callls.

What hand do you think he has and also would you also snap reshove this board texture? I think the play is right just a friend who i discuss hands with thinks i should fold which i think is ubber nitty!
FLop

[EvilPie]

Don't like the instant shove. Looks too planned and stinks of flush draw. If you sit and think for at least a few seconds I think you get more folds.

He's probably got 33, 44, 55, 77 or any hand with a 6 in it. Much better than this and he calls your shove quickly instead of thinking.

It all looks standard to be honest. Can't really fault any of it.

[LeeMcshane]

Well once i see the flop I was always getting it in so was planned on the flop if he raised me on it, Just because of how he has been playing.

[WotRTheChances]

Clear shove. Probably not insta-shoving... although that's something I never do, but villain is repping a tiny amount of actual value hands: 2x (lol), 66-99, 6x. Obviously he should be folding basically his entire range on this board when you shove, except 2x and 66, possibly 88/99. Either way you have good equity vs his range and he should be folding a bunch, even if he is a bit of a spewy station.

[SuuPRlim]

seems very stnd, you dominate all flush draws and are flipping with stuff like 66 - 88, if he has a 2 it's not even the end of the world.

don't snap do anything btw, even if something is extremely obvious, just take a second to make sure you haven't made a mistake, mis-read your hand or ms counted his chips or something, 1 time in 100 you'll stop yourself doing something stupid and save yourself a good few quid. also tougher decisions will take more time so fast decisions kind of polarise you to a monster hand you've gotten excited with, or a pre-empted semi-bluff like matt says, if you take a minute it serves a good purpose to chking you haven;t done something stupid and it balances the times you wanna take a minute or so out nicely.

don't over do it ofc, just 10-12 seconds is usually ok

[superwomble]

Is there a case for a raise here rather than a shove? Isn't a shove more likely to fold out loads of hands you dominate?

[pleno1]

Is there a case for a raise here rather than a shove? Isn't a shove more likely to fold out loads of hands you dominate?

i assume you mean call rather than raise.

[superwomble]

No, I meant raise. Villain has raised to £50, Hero has £333. Pot is £129. A raise to say £125 is less likely to fold out the dominated hands, could induce a shove, and if not means all money can go in on a decent turn card?

Although following on from your post, is there a case for a call for similar reasons to my original question?

[Honeybadger]

Completely standard play tbh. But as others have said, don't snap jam... just do it in tempo.

Re: the suggestion of making a smaller 3bet on the flop... No other 3bet size makes sense since with these effective stacks there is no further leverage point (ok, maybe a CIB can be squeezed in but I don't bother with this sort of crap).

[LeeMcshane]

Understanding the tempo of my shove how it can be seen by Villian. The hand he had was  and i lost the pot as missed eveything.

Which i still think was a very poor call on his part, even if he is putting me on a flush draw as im bound to have overs as well.

Ps did get it all back of him later when he called me off with 3rd pair haha

[cambridgealex]

I only usually like a snap jam when I have quad 33s on A33xA for example and it's obvious the other guy has an ace. Give the board a glance, give a shrug and a casual "its obv a chop" look and just say allin. That's usually the line I take when I have quads vs nut boats.

[SuuPRlim]

I only usually like a snap jam when I have quad 33s on A33xA for example and it's obvious the other guy has an ace. Give the board a glance, give a shrug and a casual "its obv a chop" look and just say allin. That's usually the line I take when I have quads vs nut boats.

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[Rivertony]

Standard play, not sure how 33 calls it off tho! Learn to flip better :-)

[LeeMcshane]

Standard play, not sure how 33 calls it off tho! Learn to flip better :-)

Trying to.. Been sat at home running this hand over and over with a pack of cards until the varience changes! still no luck Haha

[Doobs]

I only usually like a snap jam when I have quad 33s on A33xA for example and it's obvious the other guy has an ace. Give the board a glance, give a shrug and a casual "its obv a chop" look and just say allin. That's usually the line I take when I have quads vs nut boats.

Hopefully other guy would reply yep obv a chop and slow roll his quad aces in this spot.