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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2012, 11:36:54 PM »

I dont have flopzilla myself, all I can do is do a shove equity calc for you, which I will do, gladly Smiley

*edit* Just seen you've already done it!

Looks about right to me. It seems close as you thought and a small losing play.

You can program the frequencies of which he has certain hands as well by putting :X% after it, for E.g KQ:65% would be 65% of the combo's of KQ, i.e if you think he only bluffs with thatt hand 65% o the time.

A few other points, you've missed out A7s from the range? surely he's raise/calling that as well? Also you put AhJs when i tihnk you meant AsJs.

Either way what you've proved is if your ranges are right, 200 deep you could find small profit in a shove, (9 pounds) but 300 deep you're not making money, which sounds decently right to me I think as he legitimate value range has you so crushed that I don't think the size of your raise has much bearing on his calling range at all, so you'd actually show a greater profit if you were ~175 deep here imo.
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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2012, 12:44:09 AM »

I dont have flopzilla myself, all I can do is do a shove equity calc for you, which I will do, gladly Smiley

*edit* Just seen you've already done it!

Looks about right to me. It seems close as you thought and a small losing play.

You can program the frequencies of which he has certain hands as well by putting :X% after it, for E.g KQ:65% would be 65% of the combo's of KQ, i.e if you think he only bluffs with thatt hand 65% o the time.

A few other points, you've missed out A7s from the range? surely he's raise/calling that as well? Also you put AhJs when i tihnk you meant AsJs.

Either way what you've proved is if your ranges are right, 200 deep you could find small profit in a shove, (9 pounds) but 300 deep you're not making money, which sounds decently right to me I think as he legitimate value range has you so crushed that I don't think the size of your raise has much bearing on his calling range at all, so you'd actually show a greater profit if you were ~175 deep here imo.

I wanted to give him a little spaztic raise call range, and was just a misclick. Would redo but its not really worth it. Glad it was at least close and I'm not mental, also glad I didn't shove tho
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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2012, 09:40:04 AM »

Think this has pretty much been said already by you and others, but...

1. You are too deep to jam here.

2. With shallower eff stacks this move starts to become interesting against guys who you know will raise-fold all their mid-strength top pair hands for info/protection/cos they don't known what else to do with them.

3. A nutshot and a backdoor FD covers a multitude of sins.
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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2012, 10:32:43 AM »

Does anyone know if there is better software for this? I believe i will have to pay for Oracle soon :/

Can anyone give me a rough idea if it'll be better to have  / / here? I'll get off my arse at some point but if people know...Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2012, 03:28:19 PM »

Does anyone know if there is better software for this? I believe i will have to pay for Oracle soon :/

Can anyone give me a rough idea if it'll be better to have   / / here? I'll get off my arse at some point but if people know...Tongue

Pokerstove does this for you.

6s5s is the best hand to have against a realistic calling range for villain of two pair+, NFD (which is also TP of course) and combo draws.

Board:
   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    79.750%     76.66%    03.09%             13661          550.50   { TT, 77, ATs, As9s, Ac8c, As8s, As4s, As3s, As2s, QsJs, Ts9s, T7s, 9s8s, ATo }
Hand 1:    20.250%     17.16%    03.09%              3058          550.50   { As8d }

Board:
   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    74.998%     74.91%    00.09%             19282           22.50   { TT, 77, ATs, As9s, Ac8c, As8s, As4s, As3s, As2s, QsJs, Ts9s, T7s, 9s8s, ATo }
Hand 1:    25.002%     24.91%    00.09%              6413           22.50   { 6s5s }

Board:
   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    79.361%     79.29%    00.08%             20408           19.50   { TT, 77, ATs, As9s, Ac8c, As8s, As4s, As3s, As2s, QsJs, Ts9s, T7s, 9s8s, ATo }
Hand 1:    20.639%     20.56%    00.08%              5293           19.50   { KsJh }

Obviously if villain will fold some of his combo FD/SDs to your big overbet (he should do so, but very few live players will fold here) then you do even better with the 6s5s since his calling range has you dominated a little less often.

Note that the above results only show which hand you would sooner have WHEN CALLED. It does not take into account how the different hands you can have reduce the chances of you being called - i.e. through the blocker effect. If you have As8d it reduces the number of combinations of AT that villain can have and thus means that your shove will succeed a greater percentage of the time (although when he does call you are in much worse shape than if you had the 6s5s).

Edited to say: Just noticed that you specified he cannot have TT in his range because he 3bets it preflop 100% of the time, and that he will never have T7s in his range either. You can use pokerstove yourself to do the same sim as I did above, but remove TT and T7s from his range. The results will change a little bit but not too much.
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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2012, 08:41:24 PM »

whats the turn?

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