Diaries

[Doobs]

I think it is a disgrace that this thread is stuck near the top putting off newbies.

PS  Took me forever to find that Concordia post only to find it wasn't very interesting.  Is the captain still guilty btw?

[ohdear]

no matter how obvious it is that it's having an adverse affect on the forum it's a hard habit to break, but for now it seems people are content to sacrifice the groth of the forum for the personal gain of their diaries

you are stating this as if it is a fact. Its not. No growth of the forum is being sacrificed (evidence, traffic and sign ups), and no-one amongst the forum principals is interested in "personal gain of their diaries" over other aspects of the forum

You state a lot of further stuff as facts. They are not, they are opinions. Albeit verbose ones, that to me dilute some sensible points you make!

I'm surprised by this

I've posted at least a couple of times on how i'm happy to take your word that the numbers are up and even conveyed that i'm glad about this, being a long time reader. that doesn't mean to say that numbers, hits, groth etc couldn't be better.

the second part of what you say to an extent is true, although it shouldn't "dilute" any of the points i've made, of course they're only opinions, im not a mind reader, i can't say what's in another mans head and what compells him to act a certain way so no, they're not facts, i think even if it comes across as being stated as such people are intelligent enough to know i couldnt state factually about whats in another persons head so you didn't really need to make that point.

with all the arguments on here for moving the diaries and changing the way their owners think about them and not really any arguments against it, with it still not even being discussed then yes, it is my ardent opinion that "forum principals" are putting the "personal gain of their diaries" in front of other aspects of the forum, to it's detriment

[ohdear]

I think it is a disgrace that this thread is stuck near the top putting off newbies.

PS  Took me forever to find that Concordia post only to find it wasn't very interesting.  Is the captain still guilty btw?

i think they'd be happy to see a thread at the top of the rail that wasn't a diary or a sticky

[ohdear]

if i knew that james dempsy had sunk all that money into backing the site i'd be bending over backwards to get as many new members through the door to help groth on the site and turn it back into a bussiness so the guy can see a return on all the money and time he's put in

This really is too much. A number of people work extremely hard to this end

fair point, i understand a lot of work has gone in to building the place back up since you had a cardroom(don't know what happend with that so can't comment) and specifically from what i've read a lot of that work has come from you, didn't mean to detract from the time or effort you personally have put into the site which is unquestionable

[Cf]

Is "groth" some special term i'm not familiar with?

[ohdear]

Is "groth" some special term i'm not familiar with?

no it's a word that i keep on missing a letter out of, although as a moderator thanks for picking me up on my spelling, you can always tell which way a discussion is going when people have to resort to pullling you up on your spelling, especially a mod  

[Cf]

Is "groth" some special term i'm not familiar with?

no it's a word that i keep on missing a letter out of, although as a moderator thanks for picking me up on my spelling, you can always tell which way a discussion is going when people have to resort to pullling you up on your spelling, especially a mod 

You are welcome

On my post I did actually spell familiar wrong but hastily edited it...

[ohdear]

Not sure everyone has a high priority as you at attracting new members, having more posts etc...I am happy its a nice chilled forum with alot less drama that most these days. Looking at numbers/figures/profit etc aint what its about and I don't think James bought it to make any money.

it's a fair point, a good point actually.

if there's no overall plan to expand the site, make it a business again showing a profit etc and bring in new members then i suppose the way it is is ok, i know there's been lots of trouble on the forum before and if it's nice and chilled at the moment you can't really buy that, even if there are a few existing members(or long time readers like me) who don't like the layout of the diarys but long term respected members like gatso, longy and shogun are not about to leave the forum because of it so it's not a problem, looking at the rail today 10 out of the top 20 threads are diaries with 5 dtd stickies above them, it's so ugly but if the site isn't looking to grow then tbh it doesn't really matter, if it is, well it seems you can't teach old dogs new tricks.

[TightEnd]

Look at it another way

There are 50 threads on the front page. 8 are diaries. 4 or 5 of these are mostly if not all poker content. Views on the big two have rocketed (no exaggeration) in the last three months.

The stickied DTD threads, well its Rob's wish to have a thread for each DTD "initiative" stickied, so that's a given

It works both ways. I put a thread up yesterday. Good title, controversial content, really quite inflammatory stuff. Not a single reply, and it was in the top 15 threads all day

It's not as if other threads aren't being posted, and any member can post a new thread on the rail. Most that want to see diaries on a new board (perfectly understandable) don't post new threads.




 

[Marty719]

tbf - Im def new, and the diaries r one of the main things that attract me here.  Some great stories.  Have read the entirity of 4 diaries while sitting in work (sorry work) and they are the first thing I check every morning.

[ohdear]

Look at it another way

There are 50 threads on the front page. 8 are diaries. 4 or 5 of these are mostly if not all poker content. Views on the big two have rocketed (no exaggeration) in the last three months.

The stickied DTD threads, well its Rob's wish to have a thread for each DTD "initiative" stickied, so that's a given

It works both ways. I put a thread up yesterday. Good title, controversial content, really quite inflammatory stuff. Not a single reply, and it was in the top 15 threads all day

It's not as if other threads aren't being posted, and any member can post a new thread on the rail. Most that want to see diaries on a new board (perfectly understandable) don't post new threads.

I'm not saying anything bad about the stickies, i know you've got the deal with DTD and they're needed, it was just a point that combined with lack of traffic elsewhere and the diary domination of the rail they combine to make it look very unwelcoming, on their own i completely understand with why you have them and agree with the need for them to be there.

the point you make is a good one, has the climate of posting uniquely on diarys now become so deep-rooted that even if you wanted to change it would be extremely difficult? i think it was gatso who made the point about one of the most frustrating aspects of the diarys for him is that if someone had something, fun, entertaining etc that they wanted to share then instead of posting a thread about it in the lounge or rail it was just natural for them to automatically go to their favorite diary where 10 or so of there friends post and say: "wow look at this, what do we all think"?, it's become second nature, if the diarys were on their own board, visually disdinguishable from the rest of the forum people might start to think about discussing such stuff on the general forum again where everyone can enjoy it but it's become so much "the norm" to post a new topics on a diary that's not even yours it's difficult to know how exactly to reverse try and usher people back into the general area of the forum, like i said before a start would be to give the diaries their own board, there's probably 15 active right now, enough to warrent a diary sub-section and people seeing that the diaries were in their own little spot mentaly may just compell them to pay more attention when they're on the rail to the other threads, even compell them to start new threads

[gatso]

Is "groth" some special term i'm not familiar with?

no it's a word that i keep on missing a letter out of, although as a moderator thanks for picking me up on my spelling, you can always tell which way a discussion is going when people have to resort to pullling you up on your spelling, especially a mod  

You are welcome

On my post I did actually spell familiar wrong but hastily edited it...

you also failed to capitalise your I. have some respect for yourself, you're worth a capital I

[Acidmouse]

The spelling police have to be above the law or else we all doomed...fail thread pls.

[gatso]

It works both ways. I put a thread up yesterday. Good title, controversial content, really quite inflammatory stuff. Not a single reply, and it was in the top 15 threads all day

I opened that up, read "Bitar Statement, Pollack, Borrowing, Drink in Face" and had no idea what you were on about or what the content was, still don't, so there was no way I was going to watch a 20 minute video

[TightEnd]

It works both ways. I put a thread up yesterday. Good title, controversial content, really quite inflammatory stuff. Not a single reply, and it was in the top 15 threads all day

I opened that up, read "Bitar Statement, Pollack, Borrowing, Drink in Face" and had no idea what you were on about or what the content was, still don't, so there was no way I was going to watch a 20 minute video

That was the title of the v-log by Negraneau. Fail by me then. It's worth a listen