hating life

[tight4better]

So, pretty pansy game at DTD. 50/1. Lad and Belton at the table are the only notable cash regs (Andy 60k wan next to me)

I've already had dem aces twice at this point and I'm trying my best to run over the table, it's working for the most part, probably cause I have such a nit image and was on a bit of a heater.

I open UTG playing £250, I'm opening because of how tight the table has been and peel happy. I'm looking to keep my momentum going, I don't think it's that bad an open anyway. Andy Wan, Shaun Hibbert and some conference reg ( ) Sean Belton calls on the button playing £180/£200.

Flop £17.50 - 

Hating life on this flop, hoping I can rep a Q I barrel £11 and Sean calls. Range is wide here including floats. A lot of KT, T9, few flush draws. I'm giving up at this point though really unless I turn a 5.

Turn £39.50 - 

Now this card comes and I'm deciding I'm going all the way, I've turned an open-ender and Sean knows I'm a bit of a nit so may fold 1 pair hands on the turn. Barrelled £24 and got called. Gulp. Lightest range here is AJ one club, up to made flushes, thought he actually might value raise the turn though as I'm likely to have some sort of hand with this board raising UTG with my image. Plus I don't triple barrel that often.

River £87.50 - 

Bink?! Perhaps not, I bet £47. Sean tank shoves..

Maybe I should just check-fold the turn, seems like a spot where I have it a lot though. FWIW I never thought this was a bluff from Sean, 0%.

[pleno1]

10000000000000% c/f on this flop. pre is whatever, like should fold, but not a huge mistake opening. i think i check turn and hope to get to showdown, its live and nobody folds, so if they continue on the flop they aren't generally going to fold ott. as played on the river i probbaly call we're at the top of our range here and its hard for our percieved range to have many flushes (although we could ofc have 86cc:P) and we can be thinly value betting alot of hands here. although id recommend c/f a bunch of them.

[SuuPRlim]

yh +1 with pleno this is a dreadful dreadful flop. how 3 people have called a tight players UTG open and at least on of them not have hit this board hard enough to call two bullets?

preflop i think is fine you have a pretty hand lol. River, FYL.

[Honeybadger]

Fold preflop. Maybe if you have a massive edge over the table both in terms of technical skill and psychological ascendancy then you can make a profit playing 86s UTG. But I would not even be certain of this. Moreover, and I know it is going to sound unkind... your play from the flop onwards strongly suggests that you are not skilled enough postflop to be able to play this hand profitably UTG.

Flop... WTF! Even HU I would usually just check-fold this board since it hits an opponent's preflop flatting range so hard and you have zero equity. But multiway this is a truly terrible cbet. Check-fold.

Also, your bet-sizing is bad too. On a flop of this texture (i.e. semi-coordinated, broadway, with a flush draw) we should be betting much closer to the size of the pot. £11 into £17.50 is much too small. As said above though, we should not be betting in the first place.

Turn... check-fold.

River is ok... as long as you folded to his jam.

[cambridgealex]

The following thought processes are a bit worrying

 

Hating life on this flop, hoping I can rep a Q

Now this card comes and I'm deciding I'm going all the way

These are bad things to be thinking. It doesn't matter what you're repping on this flop. You can rep what you like, you're almost never getting a fold on this flop. Maybe 5% of the time at best. Check.

Same on the turn, he's just not gonna fold much. Check.

I'd open pre too, but if I were you I'd fold.

[dreenie]

all in

[SuuPRlim]

as a side point to the pre-flop discussion.

You're image is tight ye? The best way to exploit your image here isn't to start opening weaker hands from EP (with the thought process no doubt that people will give you more respect pre-flop, this tends not to be the case in deepstacked live cash games) but is to 3bet MORE IP, hands like this would be great as most of the time people will peel, and will attack you on boards where you flop strong, small pairs are also another decent option for this, imo.

It's important though, if maintaining a tight image is part of your game not to dilute this image by opening bad hands too often (not saying specifically here) but the reason it's hard to play vs strong, tight players for the most part is that your range preflop is stronger than most, so I have A9 on AT5 you're WAY more likely to have AJ or AQ then A7 or A6, and if you're capable of value betting well and hand reading you're very difficult to play OOP vs.

If you start throwing too much junk in pre-flop your ranges aren't as strong and post-flop I can now value-bet or bluff against you a little more easily than I could before.  You basically become a LITTLE loose pre-flop and a little passive post, which is actually the easiest style to play against down the streets.

If you are a tighter player, which is 100% the best way to play in 9max live games, then you need to exploit spots where you KNOW your range is stronger than theirs, and more importantly, you know that THEY know this too. 

[PeeJay]

as a side point to the pre-flop discussion.

You're image is tight ye? The best way to exploit your image here isn't to start opening weaker hands from EP (with the thought process no doubt that people will give you more respect pre-flop, this tends not to be the case in deepstacked live cash games) but is to 3bet MORE IP, hands like this would be great as most of the time people will peel, and will attack you on boards where you flop strong, small pairs are also another decent option for this, imo.

It's important though, if maintaining a tight image is part of your game not to dilute this image by opening bad hands too often (not saying specifically here) but the reason it's hard to play vs strong, tight players for the most part is that your range preflop is stronger than most, so I have A9 on AT5 you're WAY more likely to have AJ or AQ then A7 or A6, and if you're capable of value betting well and hand reading you're very difficult to play OOP vs.

If you start throwing too much junk in pre-flop your ranges aren't as strong and post-flop I can now value-bet or bluff against you a little more easily than I could before.  You basically become a LITTLE loose pre-flop and a little passive post, which is actually the easiest style to play against down the streets.

If you are a tighter player, which is 100% the best way to play in 9max live games, then you need to exploit spots where you KNOW your range is stronger than theirs, and more importantly, you know that THEY know this too. 

Obv just nails it again. Never wrong...

[RED-DOG]

Lol. I wish you would change the title of this thread. I find it strangely disturbing.

[EvilPie]

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[sm00035]

as a side point to the pre-flop discussion.

You're image is tight ye? The best way to exploit your image here isn't to start opening weaker hands from EP (with the thought process no doubt that people will give you more respect pre-flop, this tends not to be the case in deepstacked live cash games) but is to 3bet MORE IP, hands like this would be great as most of the time people will peel, and will attack you on boards where you flop strong, small pairs are also another decent option for this, imo.

It's important though, if maintaining a tight image is part of your game not to dilute this image by opening bad hands too often (not saying specifically here) but the reason it's hard to play vs strong, tight players for the most part is that your range preflop is stronger than most, so I have A9 on AT5 you're WAY more likely to have AJ or AQ then A7 or A6, and if you're capable of value betting well and hand reading you're very difficult to play OOP vs.

If you start throwing too much junk in pre-flop your ranges aren't as strong and post-flop I can now value-bet or bluff against you a little more easily than I could before.  You basically become a LITTLE loose pre-flop and a little passive post, which is actually the easiest style to play against down the streets.

If you are a tighter player, which is 100% the best way to play in 9max live games, then you need to exploit spots where you KNOW your range is stronger than theirs, and more importantly, you know that THEY know this too. 

Such a complete boss

[sm00035]

But yeh, open pre, c/f flop, c/f turn, b/f river

[Nit Tendencies]

Fold pre. Check/fold flop. Check/fold turn. Bet/fold river.

[SuuPRlim]

Id bet bigger OTR as well like £60.

having said this I always say bet bigger so maybe it's just a preference of mine over the actual optimal way to play lol

[dakky]

As played, feels like he's got it unless he is turning  AcX into a bluff but you would know more than us? You say he tanked have you seen him do this before? Tank-shoves are much more weighted to value than bluff in my experience.

Also c/f flop