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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2012, 05:23:11 PM »

Hello,
I would like to get some feedback on the hand that sent me out the door of this UKIPT event.
This is isn't a backwards way of telling my beat story; some people may look at it and say it wasn't worth the post and tbh I walked away from the table thinking "yup, that's fine, we'll get 'em next time." I thought I played it fine and anything else would just be 'with hindsight', but then after talking to friends whose game's I respect and having been told that it was fine AND that I butchered it, I thought maybe it's worth a wider consensus.

It was the 4th level and the table draw is nothing to complain about. Everyone playing pretty cagey as they do early stages apart from two clear value spots, one who is calling too much and a LAGtard who is our villain for this hand. At this point he's already put in a blind raise from UTG, made a nervous young lad fold KK and shows him a bluff, opening too many pots and promised revenge when a bluff was shown to him. He's already been given a two hand penalty for folding out of turn and he is very loud and obnoxious. My image, if it even mattered to him, was pretty solid, haven't played many hands but won the ones that I did with only one showdown where I c-bet with nothing, paired the turn on A54 K and check called a bluff on turn and Ace river. (that was mr. calls too much)


Hero - 21k
Villon (that is greek for dick) - 20k

Blinds - 100/200

Villon raises 375 from hj (not even paying attention that min raise is 400) so raise to 400
Hero in BB has  and 3b to 1050
Villon 4b to 2750

...now I have a think and ponder the best way to get good value from such player and if I think he quite often doesn't have a hand and folds to a 5b, and also that a c-bet from him is imminent because he's the kind of player that has the tools but rather than hit the nail with the hammer he smacks himself in the face with it, so the plan was to check call or check raise most flops...because letting aggressive players hang themselves is a good thing right?

Hero flats 2750

Flop is 

Hero checks

Villon fires 3050

H c-raises to 7k

V almosts instantly goes all in

H calls.

V reveals   

Turn 

River 

Had I won this hand I probably wouldn't be asking which is the messed up thing. Early stages are a weakness for me so if I can take anything away from this that would be great.

Now is this ever a good example of taking someone to value town in such early stages?
Was this a way too risky way to play OOP?
Is this a must 5b?
Should the c-raise have just been all in?
Could I have folded when he went all in? (this comment I personally very much disagreed with) The argument being that any hand he does this with will have too much equity in the pot and in these early stages this was an unnecessary spot for me when I could have just carried on chipping away steadily.



I would 3b to 1250ish.  In this hand I would 5b to 9500ish.  With blinds of 100/200 it is far too early to be dropping out of the tournament.  You want to be putting yourself in spots where you are far more in control of where you are in the hand.
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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2012, 01:56:18 AM »

Hello,
I would like to get some feedback on the hand that sent me out the door of this UKIPT event.
This is isn't a backwards way of telling my beat story; some people may look at it and say it wasn't worth the post and tbh I walked away from the table thinking "yup, that's fine, we'll get 'em next time." I thought I played it fine and anything else would just be 'with hindsight', but then after talking to friends whose game's I respect and having been told that it was fine AND that I butchered it, I thought maybe it's worth a wider consensus.

It was the 4th level and the table draw is nothing to complain about. Everyone playing pretty cagey as they do early stages apart from two clear value spots, one who is calling too much and a LAGtard who is our villain for this hand. At this point he's already put in a blind raise from UTG, made a nervous young lad fold KK and shows him a bluff, opening too many pots and promised revenge when a bluff was shown to him. He's already been given a two hand penalty for folding out of turn and he is very loud and obnoxious. My image, if it even mattered to him, was pretty solid, haven't played many hands but won the ones that I did with only one showdown where I c-bet with nothing, paired the turn on A54 K and check called a bluff on turn and Ace river. (that was mr. calls too much)


Hero - 21k
Villon (that is greek for dick) - 20k

Blinds - 100/200

Villon raises 375 from hj (not even paying attention that min raise is 400) so raise to 400
Hero in BB has  and 3b to 1050
Villon 4b to 2750

...now I have a think and ponder the best way to get good value from such player and if I think he quite often doesn't have a hand and folds to a 5b, and also that a c-bet from him is imminent because he's the kind of player that has the tools but rather than hit the nail with the hammer he smacks himself in the face with it, so the plan was to check call or check raise most flops...because letting aggressive players hang themselves is a good thing right?

Hero flats 2750

Flop is 

Hero checks

Villon fires 3050

H c-raises to 7k

V almosts instantly goes all in

H calls.

V reveals   

Turn 

River 

Had I won this hand I probably wouldn't be asking which is the messed up thing. Early stages are a weakness for me so if I can take anything away from this that would be great.

Now is this ever a good example of taking someone to value town in such early stages?
Was this a way too risky way to play OOP?
Is this a must 5b?
Should the c-raise have just been all in?
Could I have folded when he went all in? (this comment I personally very much disagreed with) The argument being that any hand he does this with will have too much equity in the pot and in these early stages this was an unnecessary spot for me when I could have just carried on chipping away steadily.



I would 3b to 1250ish.  In this hand I would 5b to 9500ish.  With blinds of 100/200 it is far too early to be dropping out of the tournament.  You want to be putting yourself in spots where you are far more in control of where you are in the hand.
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