Tottenham's goal against Chelsea

[Ant040689]

Found the dynamic of the goal quite interesting.

It was Adebayor one on one with the keeper, he tries to go around him, gets taken out completely for a definite penalty but Bale is on hand for the loose ball and taps into an empty net so the ref played the advantage. If Bale wasn't there, the penalty would have been given and a red card would have been given to Cech.

Below is a skype convo i had with a mate about it. Chime in with any views. BTW i don't see my mate as a complete authority on everything football lol, i was just testing his wits and getting confirmation on some things. Both of us ultimately quite a bit unsure about the points raised.

(real name of friend not used)

[12:58:47] Anthony: for bale's goal
[12:59:07] Anthony: by the letter of the law can you play on if there is a stonewall penalty
[13:00:12 | Dave: advantage
[13:00:21] Dave: its just a foul isnt it
[13:00:50] Anthony: is it on the ref or the players whether the advantage gets taken
[13:00:57] Dave: ref
[13:01:17] Anthony: could bale have stopped his run after adebayor got taken out and gestured to the ref avoiding the tap in
[13:01:51] Dave: must be able to
[13:01:55] Anthony: does that mean the ref has to give the foul, or can the ref say then, look i played the advantage and you didnt take it
[13:01:59] Dave: cos then no advantage
[13:02:05] Anthony: but there was one
[13:02:09] Anthony: he decided not to take it
[13:02:13] Dave: but if its not taken
[13:02:26] Anthony: is that binding though
[13:02:50] Anthony: could the ref argue i gave bale an opportunity for a tap in, he didnt take it and thats that
[13:02:55] Anthony: also and this is another gd point
[13:03:09] Anthony: could bale have scored and that goal count and cech get sent off
[13:04:56 | Dave: last one i dont think he can be sent off as it didnt deny a goalscoring oppurtunity
[13:05:14] Dave: if bale stops there is no advantage to give
[13:05:30] Anthony: with you on the last point
[13:06:07] Anthony: for the first, surely its cech denying adebayor the clear goalscoring opportunity so for that offence he should be sent off
[13:06:19] Anthony: cech didnt foul bale, the one that scored
[13:06:54] Dave: but the goal was scored so it hasnt stopped a goalscoring oppurtunity
[13:07:21] Anthony: i guess the fouling of adebayor didnt prevent a clear goalscoring opportunity
[13:07:48] Anthony: but assumed that the rule was effective to the person fouled only
[13:08:11] Anthony: when have you seen a striker attempt a pass and was taken out for a pen
[13:12:02] Dave: not often
[13:12:19] Dave: right decision made anyway
[13:12:43] Anthony: but if bale stopped in his tracks ran over to the ref and gestured for a red would you accept that in the game
[13:12:49] Anthony: when he could just tap it in
[13:13:05] Dave: i would
[13:13:10] Anthony: you would what sorry
[13:13:19] Dave: accept it
[13:13:23] Anthony: yeh same

[George2Loose]

Personally think he should have been sent off anyway

[Graham C]

Agree with G2L, players are booked after advantage is given and play has continued often enough so I don't see why Chelsea have got away without him being sent off.    If it we're Arsenal that'd lost like that I'd be gutted, but as it's Sp*urs

[Ant040689]

Agree with G2L, players are booked after advantage is given and play has continued often enough so I don't see why Chelsea have got away without him being sent off.    If it we're Arsenal that'd lost like that I'd be gutted, but as it's Sp*urs

There probably has never been an incident in football, or in any case i have heard of at least, where there has been an advantage for a penalty and the person who was at fault for the penalty that never was, gets booked or sent off after the advantage is played.

I think it needs to be introduced to be honest. Also there needs to be a clampdown on bookings and sendings off for poor challenges that have been waved play on because most of the time the ref just leaves it.

[Graham C]

Not a penalty no, but it's fairly frequent that a player makes a bad challenge but the challenged team still gets the ball and can continue to press, then after the ball goes out of play the ref will call the offending player over and book him.  Why should a goal change things?    Really, Bale would have been better off missing it, getting the goalie sent off and getting a penalty - Spurs would have been better off then.

Yes, it does need introducing if it's not already.  Given that the 2nd Chelsea "goal" was allowed, perhaps it's already in and the ref didn't know

[gatso]

he shouldn't be sent off because he hasn't made a challenge that's worthy of a sending off. the only possible thing he can see red for is if he prevents a goal scoring opportunity but as the ball runs to bale he hasn't done this so no red regardless of whether bale scores or not

if bale chose to step over the ball then he gives a pen for the foul but no card as the scoring opportunity was still there

if the challenge is worse i.e. violent conduct then it's a red regardless of whether bale scores or a pen is given as the denying of a goalscoring opportunity point is moot

[Ant040689]

he shouldn't be sent off because he hasn't made a challenge that's worthy of a sending off. the only possible thing he can see red for is if he prevents a goal scoring opportunity but as the ball runs to bale he hasn't done this so no red regardless of whether bale scores or not

if bale chose to step over the ball then he gives a pen for the foul but no card as the scoring opportunity was still there

if the challenge is worse i.e. violent conduct then it's a red regardless of whether bale scores or a pen is given as the denying of a goalscoring opportunity point is moot

Disagree.

That was a red for me as adebayor was forced to go around cech because of his presence, was about to and then gets mauled down. If he wasn't taken out he would have had an easy tap in after sidestepping Cech. The fact the goalscoring opportunity came to Bale was because Cech had stopped Adebayor's initial goalscoring opportunity and for doing that by the letter of the law you has gots to go.

[AndrewT]

Sending the keeper off for almost any foul he commits he one of the stupidest rules they introduced into football.

[George2Loose]

he shouldn't be sent off because he hasn't made a challenge that's worthy of a sending off. the only possible thing he can see red for is if he prevents a goal scoring opportunity but as the ball runs to bale he hasn't done this so no red regardless of whether bale scores or not

if bale chose to step over the ball then he gives a pen for the foul but no card as the scoring opportunity was still there

if the challenge is worse i.e. violent conduct then it's a red regardless of whether bale scores or a pen is given as the denying of a goalscoring opportunity point is moot

What if one of the Chelsea players gets there first? He would have prevented a goal. Ref probs gives and pen and Cech gets sent off.

[mondatoo]

I thought it should've been pen and red.

[gatso]

he shouldn't be sent off because he hasn't made a challenge that's worthy of a sending off. the only possible thing he can see red for is if he prevents a goal scoring opportunity but as the ball runs to bale he hasn't done this so no red regardless of whether bale scores or not

if bale chose to step over the ball then he gives a pen for the foul but no card as the scoring opportunity was still there

if the challenge is worse i.e. violent conduct then it's a red regardless of whether bale scores or a pen is given as the denying of a goalscoring opportunity point is moot

Disagree.

That was a red for me as adebayor was forced to go around cech because of his presence, was about to and then gets mauled down. If he wasn't taken out he would have had an easy tap in after sidestepping Cech. The fact the goalscoring opportunity came to Bale was because Cech had stopped Adebayor's initial goalscoring opportunity and for doing that by the letter of the law you has gots to go.

ref obv disagrees with you or he would've shown red after the goal was scored

from law 12

Advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul play unless
there is a clear subsequent opportunity to score a goal. The referee must send
off the player guilty of serious foul play when the ball is next out of play.
A player who is guilty of serious foul play should be sent off and play is
restarted with a direct free kick from the position where the offence occurred
(see Law 13 – Position of free kick) or a penalty kick (if the offence occurred
inside the offender’s penalty area).

[gatso]

he shouldn't be sent off because he hasn't made a challenge that's worthy of a sending off. the only possible thing he can see red for is if he prevents a goal scoring opportunity but as the ball runs to bale he hasn't done this so no red regardless of whether bale scores or not

if bale chose to step over the ball then he gives a pen for the foul but no card as the scoring opportunity was still there

if the challenge is worse i.e. violent conduct then it's a red regardless of whether bale scores or a pen is given as the denying of a goalscoring opportunity point is moot

What if one of the Chelsea players gets there first? He would have prevented a goal. Ref probs gives and pen and Cech gets sent off.

yes, he gets sent off for

denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving
towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
penalty kick

if however he doesn't deny the goalscoring opportunity he stays on. there are only 7 offences you can get sent off for, cech didn't commit any of them yesterday

[George2Loose]

It's pretty stupid that if Bale stops running or if a Chelsea defender does their job that Cech gets sent off. Despite what the current law states he should be sent off for denying a goalscoring opp even if from the subsequent advantage there's a goal

[sweet potata!]

Sending the keeper off for almost any foul he commits he one of the stupidest rules they introduced into football.

This.

Very harsh on keepers IMO, its a bit on the obvious side that if a keeper fouls he will more than likely prevent a goalscoring opportunity but they come out with their hands thats not exactly too dangerous either, so they should be allowed get away with one, I'm surprised keepers aren't sent off regularly for this, If a striker is clean through and one on one then the keeper must be thinking if I even attempt to save this and foul I'm gone, bit of a tightrope....

[sweet potata!]

What about this Scenario - Adebayor clean through, takes it round Cech who comes and cleans out Ade, the ball immediately rolls to JT who realises his keeper is about to get his marching orders, so he then decides to score an o.g and save his keeper, could this happen!?!