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« on: April 18, 2012, 11:38:47 PM »

I'm starting my own website business, which will launch in about 2 months time.

At the moment it's pretty well figured out it terms of the idea and how it's going to work - it's the behind the scenes nuts and bolts I need help with - I'm just a man with a dream - total noob in most practical matters!

I'll give some examples

1) Taxes, getting an accountant. Do I need to notify people that I'm starting a business? Will I need an accountant to run this for me? Do I pay them monthly fees or every year to do the books for me? How does this work?!?!

2) Legal stuff - do you need a license to handle customer finances, details etc? Also T&C, how would I go about writing T&Cs to cover myself legally? Employ a lawyer I assume, how would I find a reasonable one, presumably even the most basic lawyers could do this so it wouldn't be too pricey?

3) The name of my business is practically the same as another website - although this website's business is nothing to do with my website, except for being to do with poker. Is this a problem? Am I allowed to do this if it's really similar? Can they sue?!

That's just a few of the things worrying me at the moment!

Basically, I need a BUSINESS ADVISOR. Someone who knows all this stuff and can help me out. OR links/references to some good literature/websites on starting your own business, that has practical solutions rather than wishy washy advice.

Thanks very much, blonde is full of very smart and helpful people who I hope can help which is why I've posted this here.
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2012, 11:50:56 PM »

Lots of stuff here buddy:

Few bullets for you:

1. You need to decide what "type" or "vehicle" your business will be  - sole trader, limited company, LLC partnership.  This has significant tax implications (and other things) for you

2. A good accountant will be able to advise on the most appropriate method.

3. Once decided you need to register with Inland Revenue

4. If income is greater than circa 75k you will need to be VAT registered

5. PROTECT YOUR IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REPEAT PROTECT YOUR IDEA

These are a few simple starting points. There will be lots of good advice that an Accountant can give you, so def start there.

Lots of subsequent decisions will depend upon the routes you take.

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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2012, 11:57:32 PM »

3) The name of my business is practically the same as another website - although this website's business is nothing to do with my website, except for being to do with poker. Is this a problem? Am I allowed to do this if it's really similar? Can they sue?!

please be calling your business Googol or Amazan or Blandpoker
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2012, 12:09:28 AM »

if you know it is going to be a limited company - buy a book called "how to set up your own limited company" - it takes about 2 hours to read and will tell you most of the key points
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2012, 12:22:53 AM »

My advice is don't transfer very hefty sums of money to people until you've compiled a fully costed business plan and answered questions like 'can I be sued?'

BusinessLink is useful and the bank will give you a small business advisor with new account.
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2012, 12:33:21 AM »

I'm starting my own website business, which will launch in about 2 months time.

At the moment it's pretty well figured out it terms of the idea and how it's going to work - it's the behind the scenes nuts and bolts I need help with - I'm just a man with a dream - total noob in most practical matters!

I'll give some examples

1) Taxes, getting an accountant. Do I need to notify people that I'm starting a business? Will I need an accountant to run this for me? Do I pay them monthly fees or every year to do the books for me? How does this work?!?!

2) Legal stuff - do you need a license to handle customer finances, details etc? Also T&C, how would I go about writing T&Cs to cover myself legally? Employ a lawyer I assume, how would I find a reasonable one, presumably even the most basic lawyers could do this so it wouldn't be too pricey?

3) The name of my business is practically the same as another website - although this website's business is nothing to do with my website, except for being to do with poker. Is this a problem? Am I allowed to do this if it's really similar? Can they sue?!

That's just a few of the things worrying me at the moment!

Basically, I need a BUSINESS ADVISOR. Someone who knows all this stuff and can help me out. OR links/references to some good literature/websites on starting your own business, that has practical solutions rather than wishy washy advice.

Thanks very much, blonde is full of very smart and helpful people who I hope can help which is why I've posted this here.

1. You need to register for VAT, almost certainly, if you are selling good or services - http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/start/register/when-to-register.htm#1

This is pretty easy to work out on a quarterly basis and unless you are amaze busy, or doing a zillion transactions out of the gate then you probably would not need an accountant to do this.

If you decide you want to be a company rather than any other form of business then you will need to register with companies house and would probably need an accountant once a year to prepare and file an audited set of abbreviated accounts (basically just a balance sheet). You would also need an accountant initially in all likelihood to draft articles of association for the business and register the directors of the company etc.

You can buy very basic software where you can produce your own sets of accounts and pay an accountant to audit them once a year. Real basic things like Quickbooks will work for most small start ups.

2. Depends what you want to protect yourself against. If you want to limit your liability, become a limited company for sure. Beyond that, I wouldn't employ a lawyer - massive cost for little worthwhile input at this stage - most and Cs are pretty standard 'boilerplate' terms - you can find these readily online. A lawyer producing some clever terms for you won't protect you very much anyway eg, if you sell shoddy, unfit goods or services.

You don't need special licenses to handle finance if you mean this at the most basic level in terms of invoicing them for goods or services and receiving payment. You would need to say more about the nature of transactions you intend to conduct for this to get answered properly.

3. If the other company can make a reasonable case that you are making an attempt at 'passing off' your company as theirs then they would be able to sue and could potentially stop you trading under the name you've chosen.  I'd suggest you think very carefully about this. If the other company is likely to be irritated by your name, has deep pockets and can demonstrate that you are in any way competitive with them then you could cause yourself quite a lot of pain.

It is worth getting advice but unless you are embarking on something very large, very complicated I'd be really cautious about spending big money on accountants, lawyers etc. There are lots of small business networks where dull business owners meet and discuss dull business things - getting involved in one of these with the range of varying experience available for free could be advantageous.

Also, all this stuff is much less complicated than it first appears.

1) You need to understand VAT and your personal and company tax liability which I think is learnable online in a few days
2) You need to be able to make a legal offer, take an order, raise an invoice, receive payment
3) You need to record your transactions

One other thing, it might be easier now but one area we found difficult ten years ago was getting merchant accounts set up to take online payments. It really was quite painful. It surely must be easier today but if you are intending to take payments on line then I'd start looking at this now (assuming your web developer isn't handling it)

Hope this helps in some small way and good luck of course
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2012, 12:38:17 AM »

My advice is don't transfer very hefty sums of money to people until you've compiled a fully costed business plan and answered questions like 'can I be sued?'

BusinessLink is useful and the bank will give you a small business advisor with new account.

i think business link is being phased out, but i agree they will be very helpful. As for your bank, i wouldnt rely on their advice too heavily (IMO)

There is nothing wrong with learning as you go, most people do, but im pretty surprised you havent nailed some of this before spending $$$$

If you think your idea is unique, i would be focusing on getting it protected (this can take time, lots of it). It might take you 3 months to get off the ground, but it could take a competitor with the right resource and market position about a week!

No problem being a business noob, but dont be the fish!
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2012, 12:50:01 AM »

Hey man, i only have a very theoretical knowledge of business but i did pretty well in A level business, so I'll have a crack at finding some material to read/answer any qns you have. Business Link is a government run website with a shitload of information, pretty much perfect for someone like you. Definitely take a look at:

http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/layer?r.s=tl&topicId=1073858796

Are you looking at taking on any investment?
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2012, 01:05:54 AM »

Alright Bert, I run my own Ltd company. Looks like you have lots of plentyful help here but if I can help in any way then I'm happy to do so. Smiley

I pay an accountant a monthly fee to ensure my books are in order, but if you don't feel your going to have the sales volume to warrant it at first then I'll get you through the basics, it's just numbers at the end of the day. ta
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2012, 05:26:58 AM »

As you're going to be taking payments online, you'll need to investigate the costs involved with PayPal, setting up a merchant account and taking credit card payments, etc.

Look into the costs of taking the payments, fraud protection, securely holding and protecting people's details, and the costs of things like charge backs.

A good web guy will be able to help you through all this.

I'd guess that you'd be setting up a bank account that deals with the online transactions and acts similarly to the caged money held by online poker sites? Probably where a good accountant comes into play.
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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2012, 07:20:38 AM »

Whether you should or need to VAT register depends on a number of factors (really depends on nature of business, who your customers are and where they are based just for starters). You don't have to register until you have made taxable supplies of £77,000 but bear in mind you can't recover input VAT until you are VAT registered, therefore some businesses register voluntarily if they have significant up-front costs on which they would like to recover VAT.

If your customers are individuals (non business) any delay to registering for VAT will effectively save you 20% which is likely to be profit to you, where all your customers are VAT registered businesses then charging them VAT shouldn't be an issue.

There's quite a lot I could put but I would be making a lot of assumptions. As people have rightly said, there are a number of vehicles for running a business, some of which are taxed differently and have pros and cons, depending on what you are doing. If you are putting up your own money then you will probably not use a company but that depends on the scale/risk and likely profitability of that business. I can't givea bland right answer without knowing something about your business and objectives but some people set up limited companies without even knowing why they have done so.

On points 2&3, they are outside my expertise but I guess they are fundamental to your business being successful so I probably wouldn't take these points lightly.

Sorry if this is a ramble, don't have time to answer properly as I should be at work right now
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2012, 07:21:48 AM »

3) The name of my business is practically the same as another website - although this website's business is nothing to do with my website, except for being to do with poker. Is this a problem? Am I allowed to do this if it's really similar? Can they sue?!

please be calling your business Googol or Amazan or Blandpoker

gatters might just be on the right lines there, even though he missed completely.
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2012, 07:23:16 AM »

Employ a schmoozer to look after your female clientèle.

Preferably a bloke with a tache.  
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2012, 07:51:56 AM »

Are you relaunching Full Tilt?
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2012, 07:54:00 AM »

3) The name of my business is practically the same as another website - although this website's business is nothing to do with my website, except for being to do with poker. Is this a problem? Am I allowed to do this if it's really similar? Can they sue?!

please be calling your business Googol or Amazan or Blandpoker

gatters might just be on the right lines there, even though he missed completely.

Is it www.pokeherstar.com?
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